At least I worked with Linux in military. :)

At least I worked with Linux in military. :)

You're that lucky. ? I've heard some horror stories about the US Navy fleet

Yo, Justin, what can you say about Snap? Is it a good practice to use it?

I know the meaning of the word, I meant where?

Yo, Justin, what can you say about Snap? Is it a good practice to use it?

Snap? Like Snapchat or is this something g else?

Snap? Like Snapchat or is this something g else?

Like Snap packaging tool.

Like Snap packaging tool.

Ohhh, got it.

I haven't tried it.

I'd like to see some hard comparisons between Snap and Flatpak.

Although my interpretation is that Snap is seeming like another Canonical thing while Flatpak has some upstream support and collaboration

I know the meaning of the word, I meant where?

In Russian Armed Forces.

As far as the practice of using them goes, I think they both currently do roughly the same thing and there's a lot of benefits of apps being packaged that way

It makes it easier for the project itself to build for Linux

And I think there's some security benefits too, but it slips my mind

In Russian Armed Forces.

?

https://fedoramagazine.org/introducing-flatpak/

Sandboxing is the security benefit

Docker. :)

Sandboxing is the security benefit

I was just about to say that

Heh, yeah, I think it's similar with containers in that way, but I'm no expert.

Snap vs flatpak v Appimage people.....

All of them achieve the same thing, including dependencies with the program...

How are they different??

I know the Flatpak team spent a fair amount of time trying to work with upstream projects to get their feedback on making something that works well for them. I'm not sure if Snap has done the same. There was a little bit of controversy because when Flatpak planned their PR announcement, Snap suddenly came out of nowhere and started claiming support from multiple distributions, like Fedora, but all they had was a Copr repo at the time, which is hardly support.

I know the Flatpak team spent a fair amount of time trying to work with upstream projects to get their feedback on making something that works well for them. I'm not sure if Snap has done the same. There was a little bit of controversy because when Flatpak planned their PR announcement, Snap suddenly came out of nowhere and started claiming support from multiple distributions, like Fedora, but all they had was a Copr repo at the time, which is hardly support.

There was a lot of outcry about snaps among the Fedora community, as I remember...

I couldn't help but frown a bit at the Snap PR announcement because it seemed like they were claiming things that weren't true and just wanted to beat Flatpak to the first announcement.

There was a lot of outcry about snaps among the Fedora community, as I remember...

Mostly for what Snap considered Fedora / CentOS support, which wasn't official nor did it follow packaging standards

https://www.happyassassin.net/2016/06/16/on-snappy-and-flatpak-business-as-usual-in-the-canonical-propaganda-department/

I couldn't help but frown a bit at the Snap PR announcement because it seemed like they were claiming things that weren't true and just wanted to beat Flatpak to the first announcement.

Canonical, by extension mark shuttleworth did a lot of things wrong....

Unity 8, unity 7, Jonathan riddell....

Linux mint copyright problems...

Still somehow it remains the most widely known Linux distro

Unity 8, unity 7, Jonathan riddell....

Their refocus on IoT / server infrastructure is their business model now and I think Mark Shuttleworth also realized that. The desktop isn't their highest priority.

Unfortunately some major, good distros rely on Ubuntu as a base

Incldg elementary, mint, neon

Their refocus on IoT / server infrastructure is their business model now and I think Mark Shuttleworth also realized that. The desktop isn't their highest priority.

Of course, there was no REAL community involvement...

On Ubuntu as a whole....

https://www.happyassassin.net/2016/06/16/on-snappy-and-flatpak-business-as-usual-in-the-canonical-propaganda-department/

Re-reading this now and seeing how you had to disable SELinux and how the sandboxing only worked on Ubuntu systems with Mir, I'd be curious to know now what the situation is.

Of course, there was no REAL community involvement...

There are many things that Canonical / Ubuntu do well, but their PR move with Snappy was extremely disappointing because it seemed against the entire premise of open source collaboration and looked like continuing down the track of what Unity, Mir, and Upstart started.

Please don't share those links here, though.

Please don't share those links here, though.

Okay ?

Speaking of which, I have an Ubuntu app called Fogger, which I want to use on Fedora, is there a GUI to convert Deb's to rpms

Speaking of which, I have an Ubuntu app called Fogger, which I want to use on Fedora, is there a GUI to convert Deb's to rpms

There is Alien, but I understand it to be very, very messy

So use at your own risk.

And CLI, as i understand???

yeah, but really, don't expect it to work 100% correctly

How this Fogger is different from Electron?

Fogger is an ssb, similar to ice from peppermint, but not connected to a browser,

Works like a web-app

or that Chrome/Chromium feature where you can turn any webpage to an "app"?

Yes, exactly...

It also seems abandoned looking at its Launchpad website

I have an old Deb, don't mind using an unsupported app...

Next to no personal data on my recovery USB, where I need this...

It's basically an old web browser, using an old web browser is just asking for trouble... ;)

Just for some news based sites....

I see two "good" solutions: either find a replacement, and that's what I would strongly recommend, or download source and build from source

It's basically an old web browser, using an old web browser is just asking for trouble... ;)

??

Replacements do exist, but building from source seems better

You need this to make a shortcuts on a live USB for a websites, that would behave like an apps?

Provided I can find a how-to....

Exactly

ERROR: S client not available

You need this to make a shortcuts on a live USB for a websites, that would behave like an apps?

?

Launchpad is so unreadable when you'd like to get the code

I have Fedora 26 Beta on an 8 gig USB

unfortunately I've never used bzr, and that's what they use to store the code

so I can't really help you there :(

unfortunately I've never used bzr, and that's what they use to store the code

I haven't heard of bzr either, until now...

bzr - alternative to git or mercurial

so I can't really help you there :(

It's cool, I'll look it up, or try ice or epiphany......

which was pushed by Ubuntu, but still not much outside of Ubuntu ecosystem use it

Of course, like launchpad

Selfish jerks....

But could you tell me how to create a persistent Fedora USB.....

Been trying for ages, unetbootin doesnt work....

bzr - alternative to git or mercurial

I'll see what I can find...

Aaaaa! Unix and Linux System Administration Handbook, 4th edition in Russian! ❤️

Hey guys

Hey guys

Hi

Hi

How r u

Wow

Fine and you ?

https://www.devcaps.com/

Well, there is only China between me and India. :)

"Only" ?

http://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=osrm_car&route=55.354%2C86.089%3B28.652%2C77.168#map=4/44.18/79.37

Cool. Now I can pay you a visit.

I grew up in a hot place (100°F / 37.7°C max), but past that it just becomes insane

To me 37° is already insane ?

At least you saved lives in the military...

Since when soldiers save lives? AFAIK they go to war to kill others.

You're that lucky. ? I've heard some horror stories about the US Navy fleet

Some years ago NASA sold a lot of stuff like hard drives and mothers without... uh... formatting the drives. I wonder if the US navy is that neat with their technological stuff.

@jflory7 Vegas? :)

"Only" ?

5000km by road isn't really much. Same distance as to Praha.

Although my interpretation is that Snap is seeming like another Canonical thing while Flatpak has some upstream support and collaboration

Yes, you can use Flatpak in any Linux distribution. OpenSuSe has it and Debian as well. It's not Fedora only. OTOH Snap is Ubuntu only, I don't know other distros using.

Since when soldiers save lives? AFAIK they go to war to kill others.

Here, Armed forces are very often used as help during and after natural disasters, like floods and storms, take part in counter terrorism activity and help to build infrastructure.

5000km by road isn't really much. Same distance as to Praha.

To me, that's a long distance. But of course, everything is relative.

5000km by road isn't really much. Same distance as to Praha.

It’s more than from my city to the end of the continent :D https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=osrm_car&route=51.109%2C17.033%3B38.708%2C-9.137#map=5/45.445/3.955