But if you don't code in your free time and don't code at work, it gives you pretty sad coding portfolio.

My only work now is to teach kids math few hours a week.

Yes.

I think you need to be skilled in programming and sysadmin to be successful (at least if you do what I do)

Devepos ?

Devel-Ops ;)

develociraptor, as we say in netbsd...

Devel-Ops ;)

I'm confused about thar, I studies ccna> python > web development Just a lot of things which I don't know which one should I fall in love with :)

I thought that Dev-Ops is just a fancy modern name for a system administrator. :/

develociraptor, as we say in netbsd...

It's hard job. I think.

I'm confused about thar, I studies ccna> python > web development Just a lot of things which I don't know which one should I fall in love with :)

Only reason why I don't go for certs is the price.

No money to pay even for exam.

Not to mention education.

For what purpose in particular ?

Dnf, the package manager, is written in python

Some of the other system management applications, as well

I thought that Dev-Ops is just a fancy modern name for a system administrator. :/

There is no specific definition, u could say it's the human being who can develop something and deploy it on server

Dnf, the package manager, is written in python

Good to know, thanks

There is no specific definition, u could say it's the human being who can develop something and deploy it on server

Sounds much more like a developer.

Python is a fairly popular language in Linux

it's a popular language overall

easy to learn, easy to use.

I thought that Dev-Ops is just a fancy modern name for a system administrator. :/

Isn't DevOps a group of people taking care of the development environment, like build systems, CI, testing tools etc?

Sounds much more like a developer.

No, it's administration realm, automating things and building projects, u write the code once, but u may work with deploying it for ages.

Isn't DevOps a group of people taking care of the development environment, like build systems, CI, testing tools etc?

Idk.

Python is a fairly popular language in Linux

Indeed, especially for automating things in server, and IOT (internet of things) I don't know what is this?

also, it was ~2005 and we were doing Turbo Pascal. seriously

Why not? Because of turbo? What if it were in FPC?

I don't understand why people hate Pascal, when there is a lot, really a lot of people that learn algorithms with pascal

Indeed, especially for automating things in server, and IOT (internet of things) I don't know what is this?

IoT is, basically put, a trend to put microcontrollers with internet connectivity everywhere so you may monitor or trigger them from the internet (like, using your smartphone)

I prefer OSCAL over PASCAL ;)

It's not a language for ultimate systems, Maybe (Bolded and with capital M), but for algorithms is a really good teaching/learning language

I don't understand why people hate Pascal, when there is a lot, really a lot of people that learn algorithms with pascal

It's not that I hate Pascal, it's just that in 2005 when high school kids saw the blue background and were only able to develop unimpressive console stuff, it didn't do well to make them interested in that

now it would be even more unappealing

The blue screen was the teacher fault, not the language fault

He/She could teach pascal in the Delphi Environment

The blue screen was the teacher fault, not the language fault

I agree, I don't say that Pascal was a wrong choice, I say that Turbo Pascal as an environment was a poor choice

That is not the blue screen of turbo pascal

I'm hesitating about choosing software engineering or IT administration ? really hard choice

It's a hard choice, but for both you will need to learn how to code

I just want to work with hardware more than with software. :>

I thought that Dev-Ops is just a fancy modern name for a system administrator. :/

It isn't. DevOps is the name for the integrator, the one who takes the code and make the implementation in the hardware provided

He/She could teach pascal in the Delphi Environment

Delphi would be better, but I recently saw the Python for Kids book, it teaches to write in IDLE, which is cool because on one side it allows you to write code in a pretty modern environment, on the other side it lets you experiment without the need for worrying about the GUI in your programs (even if Delphi was IMHO the easiest IDE for GUIs of all time, it still required more effort than printing stuff directly to console)

It isn't. DevOps is the name for the integrator, the one who takes the code and make the implementation in the hardware provided

I see. Not my specialisation then, I think.

Delphi would be better, but I recently saw the Python for Kids book, it teaches to write in IDLE, which is cool because on one side it allows you to write code in a pretty modern environment, on the other side it lets you experiment without the need for worrying about the GUI in your programs (even if Delphi was IMHO the easiest IDE for GUIs of all time, it still required more effort than printing stuff directly to console)

Of course, but IDLE is still a console ;) I prefer (depending on the age of the kid) something like scratch

Give me a pile of hardware and a task - what to build out of it. Enterprise mail server? Sure. Set of workstations for students? Sure. Client-server enterprise system? Of course.

Of course, but IDLE is still a console ;) I prefer (depending on the age of the kid) something like scratch

Scratch would be the best for early programming education

But it present a hard paradigm in some point

How do you switch a kid from a nice, friendly, GUI-with-block-oriented language to a plain text IDE?

that's a good question

How do you switch a kid from a nice, friendly, GUI-with-block-oriented language to a plain text IDE?

Don't give him a fancy IDE in the first place. :>

Give that kid Vim.

And have fun seeing him trying to close it???

bad idea if you want to make a kid interested in that

personally I would give a kid a PICO-8 and some games, make him/her play them all he/she wants, and then show how to modify them

I hope the ball would roll from there

bad idea if you want to make a kid interested in that

Well, that what interested me.

I was interested in QBasic at the beginning, which is as dull as it can be

A LEGO Mindstorm, then make a robocode to battle against me

How do you switch a kid from a nice, friendly, GUI-with-block-oriented language to a plain text IDE?

You know the kids who programming!?

That can be fun

IoT is, basically put, a trend to put microcontrollers with internet connectivity everywhere so you may monitor or trigger them from the internet (like, using your smartphone)

Really interesting, thanks sir

Really interesting, thanks sir

Examples: IoT lightbulbs, which you can turn on/off or change colors or intensity using your smartphone

It's a hard choice, but for both you will need to learn how to code

I did some small projects with python/django but I don't consider myself a programmer

He/She could teach pascal in the Delphi Environment

We learned PascalABC with .net support in my school

Examples: IoT lightbulbs, which you can turn on/off or change colors or intensity using your smartphone

Is it the same technology which is used to tell some specific devices that there is upgrading for their systems ? (notifying iPhone that there is new sys version available)

Is it the same technology which is used to tell some specific devices that there is upgrading for their systems ? (notifying iPhone that there is new sys version available)

possibly, there is no one technology that allows that

Examples: IoT lightbulbs, which you can turn on/off or change colors or intensity using your smartphone

That is a thing I wouldn't even try to install at home.

That is a thing I wouldn't even try to install at home.

Why? I have one of those, a nice toy but definitely not something desperately needed, truth be told my system is not connected to the outside internet

We learned PascalABC with .net support in my school

I don't know PascalABC, I will google it :D

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Why? I have one of those, a nice toy but definitely not something desperately needed, truth be told my system is not connected to the outside internet

Do they use WiFi?

Do they use WiFi?

They are connected using a shitty proprietary air interface to a bridge which is then connected to a separate WPA2-secured WiFi network

More devices. :/

the only thing that worries me is this proprietary air interface, but what can happen, someone will turn off my lights for fun?

Welp, I don't want my lightbulbs to be controlled from anything other than hardware switches.

the only thing that worries me is this proprietary air interface, but what can happen, someone will turn off my lights for fun?

Turn on in middle of night.

meh, I liked the option to gradually turn on the light before the alarm clock, made me wake up easier

Or will turn them on/off at 50Hz.

the only thing that worries me is this proprietary air interface, but what can happen, someone will turn off my lights for fun?

There is a pretty cool video where 2 guys hack the lights of a building and make a game with it

Like Galaga

Turn on in middle of night.

big deal, I would just turn it off with a hardware switch then :P

Using the building as screen

big deal, I would just turn it off with a hardware switch then :P

And why do you need those bulbs then?

If you can't use them.

And why do you need those bulbs then?

There's a difference between "need them" and "wanted to play with them" ;)

There is a pretty cool video where 2 guys hack the lights of a building and make a game with it

Welcome to my city: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCvH3Tz_1iw

There's a difference between "need them" and "wanted to play with them" ;)

Welp, I don't buy stuff "to play with".

Welp, I don't buy stuff "to play with".

Do you drink beer sometimes?

Do you drink beer sometimes?

Never.

The cost of one of those bulbs was equal to ~6 glasses of better beer, so I've just chose to play with the bulbs instead of drinking that beer.

The cost of one of those bulbs was equal to ~6 glasses of better beer, so I've just chose to play with the bulbs instead of drinking that beer.

Wise decision.

that led me to install and play with Domoticz, highly recommend if you'd like to play with home automation

I don't know PascalABC, I will google it :D

Standart language for schools in Russia, it has graphic module, .net support, elements of strings(a[i]) is strings too, not char. LongInt = Integer. Sysutils is always included(no need to write 'uses sysutils') and you don't need to type 'randomize;'....etc;

I don't want my home to be automatised in any way.

I don't want my home to be automatised in any way.

I wouldn't depend on IoT door locks as well, but I like the fact that I can check the temperature at home or that it will ping me on Telegram every time someone rings my doorbell

it's just fun to do that stuff using ESP8266 + Lua

I don't have a doorbell. x3

I don't have a doorbell. x3

Is this normal in Siberia, or it's just that you don't have it? :D serious question, now I'm curious

Is this normal in Siberia, or it's just that you don't have it? :D serious question, now I'm curious

I don't know, honestly. I just didn't bother to install.

I see; mine was already installed but I guess I wouldn't install it by myself either

Ha, I'm so scared about the hackers that I even have a sliding rule instead of calculator.

Ha, I'm so scared about the hackers that I even have a sliding rule instead of calculator.

I really don't have a calculator.