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天荣
05.04.2017
09:42:33
I have a Redmi 3

The Gate
05.04.2017
09:42:45
because of the bootloader or what?
of course but some old series were good even they officially supported by Omnirom and CM

天荣
05.04.2017
09:43:08
Xiaomi phones come backdoored and loaded with spyware and Chinese software. I'm not sure it's even safe to use after reflashing.

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The Gate
05.04.2017
09:43:17
I have a Redmi 3
ido or land?

セイバー
05.04.2017
09:43:18
ihave the C1905 (XM) as my first one, and some of the Z series

L
05.04.2017
09:43:26
of course but some old series were good even they officially supported by Omnirom and CM
I had a Xperia P many many years ago and it unlocked just fine, sad to hear that changed

天荣
05.04.2017
09:43:27
セイバー
05.04.2017
09:43:32
Anxhelo
05.04.2017
09:43:48
Kohane
05.04.2017
09:44:17
Xiaomi phones come backdoored and loaded with spyware and Chinese software. I'm not sure it's even safe to use after reflashing.
This is an interesting question. If you install, let's say Cyanogen, all these backdoors and bad stuff remain somewhere anyway? Or is it gone with the system?

The Gate
05.04.2017
09:44:25
Anxhelo
05.04.2017
09:44:51
The only way for them to stay would be to be hardware-tampered

天荣
05.04.2017
09:45:10
Depends on what level they are installed on.

If they are installed at the ROM level, sure.

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The Gate
05.04.2017
09:45:38
Ido
same

Anxhelo
05.04.2017
09:45:42
I flash using sp flash tool, it rewrites the entire system

天荣
05.04.2017
09:45:43
If they are at the baseband level, tough luck.

And there's no way to tell if the malware is at the badeband level.

I consider spyware infected phones unsafe, even after a million reflashes.

The Gate
05.04.2017
09:46:25
If they are installed at the ROM level, sure.
yes, but if in the kernel level...

天荣
05.04.2017
09:46:29
Nothing guarantees their malware lives deep within the phone.

For example: Storage bus level.

NSA knows how to permanently infect HDDs so not even a format wipes their malware.

You can't be sure Xiaomi also doesn't do that.

Michał
05.04.2017
09:47:41
yes, but if in the kernel level...
Kernel is also changed with rom change, of course provided that all kernel modules are open source and rebuilt

Anxhelo
05.04.2017
09:47:49
NSA knows how to permanently infect HDDs so not even a format wipes their malware.
A full overwrite with 0-s of empty space should work I guess?

天荣
05.04.2017
09:48:01
NSA flashes the HDD's microcontrollers

セイバー
05.04.2017
09:48:14
天荣
05.04.2017
09:48:16
And it's game over.

This is why I don't buy Lenovo, for example.

Kohane
05.04.2017
09:48:51
天荣
05.04.2017
09:48:57
Sure, Superfish won't work on Linux, but...

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天荣
05.04.2017
09:49:06
What guarantees you they don't do other shady stuff?

Michał
05.04.2017
09:49:23
In general, having a smartphone means you've lost already

天荣
05.04.2017
09:49:31
Unless you're a computer engineer and can reverse engineer a chip, you can't be ever sure.

Anxhelo
05.04.2017
09:49:32
And it's game over.
If we are paranoid about everything, let's quit the internet and electronics then xD

天荣
05.04.2017
09:49:38
Also paranoia is a medical condition.

What I'm presenting are solid facts.

Kohane
05.04.2017
09:50:52
If we are paranoid about everything, let's quit the internet and electronics then xD
Indeed. An old systems professor told us the only computer completely safe is the one that is not connected to internet, never.

The Gate
05.04.2017
09:51:13
even with it's Official tools? i'm not yet having any issue when trying to unlock their bootloader
No I just very very free-tards-dom So I never thought using their so called "official Sony flasher tools" or something like that. Anyway, I'm using Linux no Windows So "official Sony" can't run on mine

セイバー
05.04.2017
09:51:38
i'm just curious how they access / hijack our device without internet connection enabled, is it possible?

Anxhelo
05.04.2017
09:51:44
It is

Michał
05.04.2017
09:51:46
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_gap_malware

セイバー
05.04.2017
09:52:45
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BadBIOS
i'll take a look, i'm really curious about this topic ?

Anxhelo
05.04.2017
09:52:59
Using just a modified USB, you can access a device meters away from you and steal information

天荣
05.04.2017
09:53:03
And let's not forget the more rudimentary but not any less effective well known methods such as USB drops

Full with autorun and such

And let's not forget the more rudimentary but not any less effective well known methods such as USB drops
And this also affects Linux machines through firmware reflashes. After all, USB is just another system bus.

There was also a PoC based on thermal dissipation for airgapped machines

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天荣
05.04.2017
09:54:30
This one was less effective

There are also exploits that steal your encryption password by "listening", to the noises your CPU makes when consuming electricity.

This is not paranoia. These are effective, fully researched attack methods.

天荣
05.04.2017
09:55:35
Indeed.

The Gate
05.04.2017
10:08:25
wow, this group's topic is went a bit from its main topic but yes, fedora is a piece of freedom apart from its kernel further about privacy and freedom. we can discuss in this growing group @librecomputing :)

天荣
05.04.2017
10:10:54
Nice breads bro ;)

The Gate
05.04.2017
10:12:10
Nice breads bro ;)
we are talking about eoma68 and libreboot things :)

天荣
05.04.2017
10:13:46
Okay I'll join

Admin
ERROR: S client not available

天荣
05.04.2017
10:13:47
XD

Gwindor
05.04.2017
10:20:09
So, that looks better, as for me.



The Gate
05.04.2017
10:21:26
sexy

Gwindor
05.04.2017
10:22:21
That mount is neat.

The Gate
05.04.2017
10:24:10
That mount is neat.
but that spying camera is.... suspicious..

Michał
05.04.2017
10:38:29
It's not spying if it's unplugged ;) but that reminds me that I need to tape over the camera on my laptop...

セイバー
05.04.2017
10:40:29
Love that Mouse-Pad everytime i see your setup

Gwindor
05.04.2017
10:40:42
x3

$8 from Ali Express. New Year gift to myself.

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Michał
05.04.2017
10:41:51
I am intrigued by the floppies. When I told my friends that in Russia you need to fill your taxes and give them out on floppies nobody believed me

Gwindor
05.04.2017
10:50:11
I am intrigued by the floppies. When I told my friends that in Russia you need to fill your taxes and give them out on floppies nobody believed me
That is because common people in Russia don't have to do that. Mostly, that is done by organisations.

Or if you are selfemployed.

Common people don't care about reporting income taxes, everything is done by their employer

Michał
05.04.2017
10:52:37
That is because common people in Russia don't have to do that. Mostly, that is done by organisations.
Still, I don't think it is easy to find a floppy drive or new floppies around, also many people in my environment are self-employed (b2b), so they need to fill these taxes as well (in practice practically everyone uses a separate companies to do these taxes, but still)

Michał
05.04.2017
10:56:36
here you can order them online, but regular computer shops don't have them available

I stand corrected: https://proline.pl/?kat=Nap%C4%99dy+FDD

Gwindor
05.04.2017
10:58:57
I think, if you would get a simplified taxation form, you would be OK with just sending reports online.

But don't quote me on that.

Welcome aboard.

Meruso
05.04.2017
12:42:06
GNUCash is easy to manage your finances with. Easy export to stuff like DATEV too

chen
05.04.2017
12:42:46
what is the relationship among rhel,centos and fedora

William José Moreno Reyes
05.04.2017
12:46:21
Redhat is the main sponsor of the fedora proyect

Provides human resources infraestructura and budget forma events

RHEL is a distribution based in fedora

Yes, rhel is a fedora derivate

Centos is a rebuild from sources of rhel

https://youtu.be/qJ3CozFrEvg

This work better than it sound

The servers, network and storage than a large project like fedora needs are expensive and redhat provides support for it

Many core packages like the kernel python gnome httpd mariadb etc are maintained un fedora by redhat employes, they both work un rhel packages and many are some of the majors contributors to theirs respective projects upstream

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