I mean seriously, people won't be able to profit from this knowledge because he is going to call names at everyone who would ask him anything

Fire him.

Done a long time ago

Probably working at Microsoft or Google now

Even at these companies, the culture is slowly changing. Have friends who recently graduated and have gone to those places.

But seriously, I'm happy about Linus way because it keeps the kernel safe. Not as systemd devs, you report a bug and they simply say: "wont fix" <— This is an asshole, a big one.

Even at these companies, the culture is slowly changing. Have friends who recently graduated and have gone to those places.

I'm glad to learn that

Awesome. :) I've been following a lot of the cool developments going on with .NET in Fedora. Happy to see this community getting more involved with the open source community. We have potential to convert more people over to Linux yet. ;)

The most horrible thing Microsoft ever did to windows, is getting .net cross platform, literally every .net developer I know (web developer) switched to linux after this step.

The most horrible thing Microsoft ever did to windows, is getting .net cross platform, literally every .net developer I know (web developer) switched to linux after this step.

Heheh. I also think Microsoft is trying to refocus their business strategy to push their cloud offerings more too, and have people use their software on servers or different environments

But it's seemingly at the cost of technical people sticking to Windows.

The most horrible thing Microsoft ever did to windows, is getting .net cross platform, literally every .net developer I know (web developer) switched to linux after this step.

What I'd be worried about, is when Microsoft would start slowly adding little, but convenient features to .net, what are only going to work under MS platforms for whatever reasons, so .net would technically be crossplatform, but in practice... :) but still, a nice move from them

Glad I can help.

BTW, this is a good example, Linus clearly explains his reasons: https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/4/2/420

If this really goes on for years, then it's surely understandable. But it creates kind of a bubble, where it's hard for new people to start contributing because of that kind of rants

People trying to break things on purpose: https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/3/8/495

Here is a sub in case you want to read more: https://www.reddit.com/r/linusrants/

People trying to break things on purpose: https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/3/8/495

You can discuss the matter in a cultural manner, or like this. I wouldn't like to work with a person who speaks like this all the time

not saying that Linus is wrong in this case, quite the opposite - I agree with him, but still

not saying that Linus is wrong in this case, quite the opposite - I agree with him, but still

Yeap I get your point.

Let's talk now about Fedora Land...

People sending mails to the mailing lists html formated and top-posting it T_T

T_T

People working hard on making Rawhide the most stable as possible (Adam Williamson and Dennis Gilmore)... then you have people pushing unstable stuff to stable release branches instead of testing it on their on laptops because Rawhide is too unstable... what an irony.

not saying that Linus is wrong in this case, quite the opposite - I agree with him, but still

But: https://youtu.be/o8NPllzkFhE?t=695

But seriously, I'm happy about Linus way because it keeps the kernel safe. Not as systemd devs, you report a bug and they simply say: "wont fix" <— This is an asshole, a big one.

You just make my days.

You just make my days.

;)

;)

http://twitter.com/systemdsucks

http://twitter.com/systemdsucks

Eh, for a technologically sound and reasonable writeup look over http://suckless.org/sucks/systemd

What I'd be worried about, is when Microsoft would start slowly adding little, but convenient features to .net, what are only going to work under MS platforms for whatever reasons, so .net would technically be crossplatform, but in practice... :) but still, a nice move from them

This company isn't that bad, I understand being Linux guy make company like MS an evil for u, anyway I can freely switch to python. If such things happened, u know the point is how to program, lang is just a tool.

But it's seemingly at the cost of technical people sticking to Windows.

Azure was a nightmare for developers, thanks god I could run a project on CentOS now.

that are Unix friends

Linux is the little son of Unix after all

Disgusting.

Don't say that. He can work on whatever he likes to.

This is a very broad term that isn't well-defined. ;) This statement in itself seems brash given what we're talking about. There's a firm balance between someone being an asshole and not having quality work.

Actually someone can be both (arsehole having quality work) or none of them (nice person with horrible work). The ideal is to be a nice person with quality work. But it's a proven fact that we don't live in an ideal world sadly.

I'm trying to annotate a screenshot to explain a UI, but not sure if there's something easier than Gimp or Inkscape I could use.

Uhm... there should be... did you try Draw?

If they got fired is because they suck at it.

No. That's not true. If you're going to work in a team you need to know how to deal with people, and most of companies require this feature as must to hire.

Maybe in YOUR company.

No, it's not in HIS company. It's a widely applied rule. And I'm not aware that Google does tolerate this kind of behaviour, I don't really know about Microsoft.

Lol

Honestly people need to stop being so sensitive. If you don't like what he does then don't work for him

I don't like the idea of complaining about someone behind their back

Honestly people need to stop being so sensitive. If you don't like what he does then don't work for him

But that's exactly what we are talking about, that people don't want to work with him, what may make people less eager to contribute ;)

I don't like the idea of complaining about someone behind their back

That's for sure. Also it's different when you're the leader of a project and everything lies on your shoulders than when you're just a part. Linus Torvalds is not a part, he started the whole thing.

I disagree I have spoken to people that work with him closely. Its an exaggeration

That goes back to my original point. If someone is a jerk then don't deal with them. He has made it clear that he is not changing his approach so there is no point in continuing to complain about it

But that's exactly what we are talking about, that people don't want to work with him, what may make people less eager to contribute ;)

There are rules, there are methods. You know them, apply them. If you don't like the way an open source project is developed and you have the expertise, fork the project and do things in your own way. Torvalds doesn't insult for no reason or rants at everyone, only when things go wrong or people do what they're already told not to do.

There are rules, there are methods. You know them, apply them. If you don't like the way an open source project is developed and you have the expertise, fork the project and do things in your own way. Torvalds doesn't insult for no reason or rants at everyone, only when things go wrong or people do what they're already told not to do.

Exactly, you know his temperment so either don't piss him off or go knit some socks lol

He doesnt want crap in linux plain and simple so stop being so distracted and focus on the work so its the best it can be

Exactly, you know his temperment so either don't piss him off or go knit some socks lol

Yeah but that attitude is IMHO kinda shitty, as many people will just contribute to another project instead, so they won't have to deal with it

I respect the dedication to keep Linux clean and nice, but it also makes the contributor group kinda closed to people who either did it or are forced to do it

Yeah but that attitude is IMHO kinda shitty, as many people will just contribute to another project instead, so they won't have to deal with it

So be it. Each of us is free to contribute to whatever one feel like to.

I respect the dedication to keep Linux clean and nice, but it also makes the contributor group kinda closed to people who either did it or are forced to do it

I don't think they're forced, they just know the methods and apply them. It's not that difficult me think.

Yeah but that attitude is IMHO kinda shitty, as many people will just contribute to another project instead, so they won't have to deal with it

Perhaps but what does it accomplish to complain about it?

I don't think they're forced, they just know the methods and apply them. It's not that difficult me think.

By "forced" I mean people who are paid to write stuff in Linux kernel and trying to put the stuff upstream is in their job description

Perhaps but what does it accomplish to complain about it?

Nothing, maybe hearing other points of view ;)

Nothing, maybe hearing other points of view ;)

Nothing that hasn't been done already

I pay million dollars to know what made this man do this ?

we are 777 members, good number

we are 777 members, good number

omg in Italy not much people like that number. ?

omg in Italy not much people like that number. ?

Don't u hate only 13 ?

Don't u hate only 13 ?

17 and 777 ?

omg in Italy not much people like that number. ?

why?

*TRIGGERED*

ERROR: S client not available

17 and 777 ?

That's weird, it's just number, what do u except now ? Fedora server get down ? ?

why?

ehm, I don't know how to explain it in english, but Friday 17 is an "unlucky" day, in my family's history. 777 is the "number" of a trap music group I really hate lol that's all

oh hahaha oki

ehm, I don't know how to explain it in english, but Friday 17 is an "unlucky" day, in my family's history. 777 is the "number" of a trap music group I really hate lol that's all

I respect ur culture but we are in the 21th century ! Com'mn

hello everybody! I have a question regarding gnome 3 i have two monitors. i saw a couple of extensions which allow to have panel on both and etc but I'd like two have window switcher shown on both monitors. do anyone knows an extension that is cappable of this?

Ncie

Dont Encourage them, we just got em off the Flash and Java Hook :-:

Fedora (Facebook) Find out how you can keep running plugins like Flash and Java in Firefox on Fedora. link

Npapi needs to die ASAP, as do all non-sandboxed Plugins

Flash especially should die

Flash should not just die.

It should be murdered by something.

Shumway was not bud, I don't know why it was abandoned

although the best scenario would be nothing using Flash ?

>Error: nothing provides compat-libgcrypt(x86-32) needed by linux-steam-integration-0.3-2.fc25.x86_64 anyone has any idea where I can get compat-libgcrypt if it is even possible

I think I found it on copr but its "failed"

>primus: fatal: Bumblebee daemon reported: error: Could not load GPU driver

I think one of the kernal updates killed it

I think one of the kernal updates killed it

[fred@fl00 ~]$ uname -a Linux fl00.pestilence 4.9.14-200.fc25.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Mar 13 19:26:40 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

bumblebee working flawslessly

I don't know why but it I try to run steam (which doesn't run) bumblebee doesn't work

and it gives me that error

did you follow this tutorial?

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bumblebee

it used to work just fine

yea

used to play till like a week prior to school

my bumblebee updated yesterday

nothing changes with primusrun

I tried running steam few days ago and this happened

I will run steam now to see if its running