>And kids, this is how the third WW began.

>And kids, this is how the third WW began.

Install Gentoo

Linux From Scratch.

TempleOS TBH

Install Gentoo

>Pumped up Kicks starts playing in background.

ponyos.org

>Pumped up Kicks starts playing in background.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjGSMUep6_4

I think you mean this.

Slackware Linux

So I just use Rust

Rust rules, but in function of the needs other languages can fit better

That's why I use CoffeScript myself

Typescript all the way

Rust rules, but in function of the needs other languages can fit better

This is what I always say

If coffee had any {} i'd use it

I agree in PHP is bad designed, but Ruby on Rails and JS are not bad (I'm saying this without a great knowlwdge of Rails)

JS is bad

I mean, I'd use Rails for a quick web app

If I need good performance I'd use Rust and Iron

Etc

I agree in PHP is bad designed, but Ruby on Rails and JS are not bad (I'm saying this without a great knowlwdge of Rails)

Js is only so uniform because its new and could learn from years of seeing other languages - and has grown while cutting old functionality

And for instance Laravel is not bad for being made over PHP ?

The first js version was designed in a week after all too

And for instance Laravel is not bad for being made over PHP ?

Good framework, bad language.

No sense to use it though.

Good framework, bad language.

I do like it tough

The Framework

I mean, yeah

And you know that if you force yourself you can write decent php code

I don't understand the popularity of J2EE

That 50% if devs dont is another problrm

You can write decent anything in any language

But a language that makes really easy to write shitty code is not a good choice IMHO

And that would be PHP

The better benefit of Java is multiplatform, and for web it is not important ?

I don't understand the popularity of J2EE

It's an enterprise platform. When throwing enough people at it something will come out of it

But a language that makes really easy to write shitty code is not a good choice IMHO

Tru. But again, with laravel, eloquent orm and strict mvc + psr-fig you can do nice things.

As you can do horrible things in ruby

You can fuck up in any language

And a beginners code in ruby will look as awful as first php steps

It's an enterprise platform. When throwing enough people at it something will come out of it

In the beggining was really the huuuuuuuuuuuuge amount of Java libraries written to do anything, but today, python probably has more libraries than any other language

As you can do horrible things in ruby

I don't like Ruby honestly

Well, I don't dislike it.

Not any more than PHP that is

I don't like Ruby honestly

Or *insert fave thing here

I mean, I like Rails

That's all I use Ruby for

Anyway, if you want and have the time, please take the survey. I will appreciate it

Sorry for start the WWIII

In the beggining was really the huuuuuuuuuuuuge amount of Java libraries written to do anything, but today, python probably has more libraries than any other language

Yeah, but Java is Enterprise™. You've got Enterprise Certificates, Enterprise Consultants, Enterprise Edition and whatnot

Enterprisity

java is trash tbh

java is trash tbh

Maybe, but there are good software written with it

yeah

deluge

android

freemind, robocode

maybe is who taught me java is what made me hate it

Eclipse

the guy honestly was for the money

I don't know

IMHO you should use the language with met 2 requirements: Fits for your needs, and you feel confortable with

yeah

python seems more comfy tbh

And then, when you choose the language, you need to learn it well: best practices, optimizing, libraries and utilities. Then your software will be good

yeah

i guess its good as a first language?

Python? Hell yeah

https://blog.voina.org/docker-install-the-new-docker-ce-in-experimental-mode-on-fedora-linux

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Asp is the worst to happen to humanity and microsoft knows it

Is that the reason why a great project like stackoverflow is running by it ? Actually there is no best/worst programming language/framework, there is bad peogrammer and good one, language is just a tool

Sorry for start the WWIII

?, I love it when ppl start argument about programming language, it is full of loyalty

Even language such as Fortran still in market so far so this discussion is a bit pointless, gd programmer can make a language better, (e.g) Facebook built a new compiler for php (php hip hop) which make the site faster than any other site !!

Is that the reason why a great project like stackoverflow is running by it ? Actually there is no best/worst programming language/framework, there is bad peogrammer and good one, language is just a tool

Yes, there are bad languages, just as there are bad tools, try using the cheapest drill bought on sale and you'll see what I mean

Is that the reason why a great project like stackoverflow is running by it ? Actually there is no best/worst programming language/framework, there is bad peogrammer and good one, language is just a tool

Stackoverflow is not a Standard one should look up to. Its literally a big copypaste platform for devs rhat dont want to understand how a solution works. I've seen projects on nothing but copypasted stack code.

?, I love it when ppl start argument about programming language, it is full of loyalty

Uhm

The fact that people use it or not doesn't make it an inherently good or bad language. Stop resorting to fallacies.

Yes, there are bad languages, just as there are bad tools, try using the cheapest drill bought on sale and you'll see what I mean

All languages we were taking about made a great project Php > Facebook Ruby > twitter Asp > all Microsoft website & stackoverflow Python > we may say google There ia no bad language at least among the common ones

All languages we were taking about made a great project Php > Facebook Ruby > twitter Asp > all Microsoft website & stackoverflow Python > we may say google There ia no bad language at least among the common ones

Yes

There are bad languages.

PHP is a terrible language.

Plus the fact the developers of the language had almost no idea what the hell they were doing. It had little direction, and grew organically. Features were added over the years with little regard for other features. Inconsistent naming, parameter order, return types. Things don't play well together, many things do the same thing slightly differently, etc etc. It's all listed in that "fractal of bad design" article. As a language designer I can tell you semi-authoritatively that this stuff is Hard Science™, and the PHP devs basically shat on it and waved their hands around the issue. It's like when you have a person who hates maths designing a physics engine for a platformer game. Sure it'll kinda work, but it'll be a head-through-brick-wall process. I've seen this. I've done this. There exists a class of problems that you can best with the cowboy-ninja approach. Never read a single book or paper on the subject, just trial&error, github, and StackOverflow + a lot of coffee. This works for things like database-enabled apps which just require experience, no real talent. Language design does not belong to this class of problems. You cannot forgo theory with it, lest you end up with the likes of Ruby, PHP, and Markdown. Sure they get their job done, you might even argue they're approachable, but they can't scale for shit. Ruby doesn't even have a goddamn spec, it was reverse-engineered from its implementation. Tonnes of inconsistencies. This is why I am usually skeptical about ambitious ideas and projects from people who have clearly not read into the subject. For example Telegram bot makers who think they're so cool when their bot generates random garbage with Markov chains.

Read that.

Even language such as Fortran still in market so far so this discussion is a bit pointless, gd programmer can make a language better, (e.g) Facebook built a new compiler for php (php hip hop) which make the site faster than any other site !!

Also Facebook is not an example of good code, see their mobile application with 1000000s of classes and special hacks to make dalvik handle it, "can't handle our scale" is practically a meme now

Also Facebook is not an example of good code, see their mobile application with 1000000s of classes and special hacks to make dalvik handle it, "can't handle our scale" is practically a meme now

^+10000000

To be fair, Facebook's mobile app is a a pile of HTML and web code crammed into a smartphone application.

Slow as a dead snail. Inconsistent as IE6.

Also Facebook is not an example of good code, see their mobile application with 1000000s of classes and special hacks to make dalvik handle it, "can't handle our scale" is practically a meme now

Facebook isn't good ? u must be kidding me

Facebook isn't good ? u must be kidding me

...

Facebook isn't good ? u must be kidding me

Code quality in their mobile application is shit and they openly admit it

related: https://www.darkcoding.net/software/facebooks-code-quality-problem/

Plus the fact the developers of the language had almost no idea what the hell they were doing. It had little direction, and grew organically. Features were added over the years with little regard for other features. Inconsistent naming, parameter order, return types. Things don't play well together, many things do the same thing slightly differently, etc etc. It's all listed in that "fractal of bad design" article. As a language designer I can tell you semi-authoritatively that this stuff is Hard Science™, and the PHP devs basically shat on it and waved their hands around the issue. It's like when you have a person who hates maths designing a physics engine for a platformer game. Sure it'll kinda work, but it'll be a head-through-brick-wall process. I've seen this. I've done this. There exists a class of problems that you can best with the cowboy-ninja approach. Never read a single book or paper on the subject, just trial&error, github, and StackOverflow + a lot of coffee. This works for things like database-enabled apps which just require experience, no real talent. Language design does not belong to this class of problems. You cannot forgo theory with it, lest you end up with the likes of Ruby, PHP, and Markdown. Sure they get their job done, you might even argue they're approachable, but they can't scale for shit. Ruby doesn't even have a goddamn spec, it was reverse-engineered from its implementation. Tonnes of inconsistencies. This is why I am usually skeptical about ambitious ideas and projects from people who have clearly not read into the subject. For example Telegram bot makers who think they're so cool when their bot generates random garbage with Markov chains.

The only terrible thing about PHP is that u r not going anywhere if u studyed it It's all about web, while other language can build mobile & desktop projects Besides PHP were studied enough to make it easy to hack

The only terrible thing about PHP is that u r not going anywhere if u studyed it It's all about web, while other language can build mobile & desktop projects Besides PHP were studied enough to make it easy to hack

You don't understand a single thing we have discussed here.

Code quality in their mobile application is shit and they openly admit it

You may mean that they are not good as they should be Don't forget Facebook hired the best PHP programmer such as adam Angelo

> The best PHP programmer

What.

Seriously, what.

Microsoft has the brightest software engineers yet their NT kernel is full of hacks, patches, inconsistencies, and obsolete paradigms.

You don't understand a single thing we have discussed here.

hhhh I'm still student, I made some projects by Asp.net And I don't wanna live on this planet if PHP isn't great language

You may mean that they are not good as they should be Don't forget Facebook hired the best PHP programmer such as adam Angelo

No, I mean their mobile application is garbage, plain and simple, they acknowledge that to the point where they have released a special lite version with smaller footprint instead of improving the original one. This is just a mess and is not professional.

hhhh I'm still student, I made some projects by Asp.net And I don't wanna live on this planet if PHP isn't great language

Big news: it is not.

Microsoft has the brightest software engineers yet their NT kernel is full of hacks, patches, inconsistencies, and obsolete paradigms.

This is partially caused by backwards compatibility. I can recommend reading https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/ , it's an entertaining read and shows some light on why Windows is how it is