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Saw someone saying that he reinstalled it on the git issues page

Did the same.. lol..

I made a little rant about sharing Microsoft Office documents

@Kohane What do you think?

@chaitanya_alavandi I also noticed you're using python2 , you can also switch to python3 too ? since py2 support will be end

Yeah... Need to do that... Althoguh why are they doing that? o.O I thought they'll support py3 for a while

py3 is already supporting but py2 support will be there too but since Fedora porting and try to port everything to py3

that would be better to move on to py3

@chaitanya_alavandi »> http://fedora.portingdb.xyz/

Does anybody use Fedora with es_ES locale? In LibreOffice, to select all text I press Ctrl+A like usual, but for some reason in es_ES that means "Open file" (because the A in Ctrl+A stands for abrir). 1) Why does locale change keyboard shortcuts, that is annoying... 2) How do I change that back – or – what shortcut is select all?

wow.. That's a whole lot of porting.. ?

Yup they're working alot

Does anybody use Fedora with es_ES locale? In LibreOffice, to select all text I press Ctrl+A like usual, but for some reason in es_ES that means "Open file" (because the A in Ctrl+A stands for abrir). 1) Why does locale change keyboard shortcuts, that is annoying... 2) How do I change that back – or – what shortcut is select all?

This is exactly why I stopped using local translations and now use en_US exclusively :P

Ctrl+E to select all is the standard in Spanish

the fact they change shortcuts like Microsoft does sickens me

Thanks. Anybody else motivated enough to do something against that?

File a bug report, try to change the locales, something?

I don't think it can be considered a bug.

Maybe a minor nuisance for people who use different programs as most applications retain en_US keybindings

That's actually bug because

in my local language I can still use normal english or standart shortcuts

so

try to report it

That doesn't classify it as a bug, to be honest.

It's expected and documented behaviour.

But most of the user know "ctrl+a" as "all" and etc

but still

I guess they're trying to cater to the average Microsoft Word user

Which has shortcuts localised

That's a issue because without standart shortcuts every documents in english won't work that much so you have to read your own language If It's translated

If It's not translated that means you gonna have to find out which is which and try to test keys ? come on

U can use one of your friend's windows to burn Fedora to a DvD right...

Why Windows?

Why Windows?

or Linux :p

Only said that cuz most ppl use windows

Only one of my friends use Windows LOL

File a bug report, try to change the locales, something?

File a bug report and contact the Spanish team through mailing lists.

Ctrl+E to select all is the standard in Spanish

Which is pretty annoying because every other program uses Ctrl+A Why localisation messes on keyboard shortcuts is something I fail to understand.

I don't think it can be considered a bug.

It is a bug. AFAIK, localisation doesn't include keyboard shortcuts and mouse gestures, otherwise would be a chaos.

@Kohane What do you think?

@Kohane please respond to this :P

I really want to share it but I don't want to spam the group

Send it. I don't think is spam. If each of us agree or disagree with your rant is another thing.

@Kohane please respond to this :P

Sorry, I missed it. It doesn't looks like this is my day really.

okay :)

Don't share Microsoft Office documents: use open formats (http://telegra.ph/Dont-share-Microsoft-Office-documents-use-open-formats-03-05)

You can make suggestions in case I missed something

Don't share Microsoft Office documents: use open formats (http://telegra.ph/Dont-share-Microsoft-Office-documents-use-open-formats-03-05)

I agree

It's a very good article actually. I would have added an image or two to make the reading easier, but the text itself is pretty good.

Don't share Microsoft Office documents: use open formats (http://telegra.ph/Dont-share-Microsoft-Office-documents-use-open-formats-03-05)

I usually use .odt format

It's a very good article actually. I would have added an image or two to make the reading easier, but the text itself is pretty good.

I will be making more articles, I tend to forget the importance of images ?

I have a few other opinion articles planned

I wish. Nothing would change for me though: I use TXT, PDF and Open formats for sharing documents. But profs would anyway stick to whatever they used. And it is not even .docx, often it is just .doc...

Cool, share them when you have them ready and don't forget the images @Rustiful !

Cool, share them when you have them ready and don't forget the images @Rustiful !

I will try to add images next time :P

I wish. Nothing would change for me though: I use TXT, PDF and Open formats for sharing documents. But profs would anyway stick to whatever they used. And it is not even .docx, often it is just .doc...

So old.... When there's no need, or I don't expect, others to edit a file I always send it as PDF. It's mean for that.

So old.... When there's no need, or I don't expect, others to edit a file I always send it as PDF. It's mean for that.

PDF is literally Portable. It's in the name! :P That's what you should use when sending documents. Or well, one of the better options. Definitely not .docx IMHO ^^

Don't share Microsoft Office documents: use open formats (http://telegra.ph/Dont-share-Microsoft-Office-documents-use-open-formats-03-05)

Nah, sounds 100% reasonable to me

Nah, sounds 100% reasonable to me

?

No, I mean't if there was anyone with Fedora DVD. But I guess I'll have to figure out.

Maybe try to go to the library, use their computer and burn the dvd there?

Which is pretty annoying because every other program uses Ctrl+A Why localisation messes on keyboard shortcuts is something I fail to understand.

I have my shortcuts cheat sheet per program, so I really don't care. This will happens always if absolutely all programs aren't completely translated, and this simply won't happens never

also I think I had it somewhere around, but I’m in Wrocław. If you’re in east Germany you can come over and grab it (it’s ~2hrs drive from Berlin)

but I doubt it would be worth it :D

I have my shortcuts cheat sheet per program, so I really don't care. This will happens always if absolutely all programs aren't completely translated, and this simply won't happens never

I like most of people use the default or tweak it, but just with the normal Settings app. If all programs use something, your settings use something, and then LibreOffice or whatever decides to change that for no reason, is annoying, confusing and a good way to ruin someone's day.

also I think I had it somewhere around, but I’m in Wrocław. If you’re in east Germany you can come over and grab it (it’s ~2hrs drive from Berlin)

I'm rather to the south...

Maybe try to go to the library, use their computer and burn the dvd there?

Uhm! This can be a good idea. I'm pretty sure I saw computers in the library although I don't know if they are for everybody or for members only.

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I have my shortcuts cheat sheet per program, so I really don't care. This will happens always if absolutely all programs aren't completely translated, and this simply won't happens never

I’m using a macbook as a third computer. The idea of the „cmd” button is interesting, but now practically every keyboard shortcut is different, not even mentioning some mac abominations like how to make a screenshot (cmd+shift+4 then space and you can select a window to grab? is this a joke?)

I’m using a macbook as a third computer. The idea of the „cmd” button is interesting, but now practically every keyboard shortcut is different, not even mentioning some mac abominations like how to make a screenshot (cmd+shift+4 then space and you can select a window to grab? is this a joke?)

You can tune those shortcuts.

I don't see how that shortcut is not good, to be honest.

What's wrong about it?

You can tune those shortcuts.

Somehow I think alt+print screen is more intuitive than cmd+shift+4 (why 4?), then stop pressing anything and press space (why space?)

Somehow I think alt+print screen is more intuitive than cmd+shift+4 (why 4?), then stop pressing anything and press space (why space?)

To switch between area and window grab.

not even mentioning lack of end and home buttons

I like most of people use the default or tweak it, but just with the normal Settings app. If all programs use something, your settings use something, and then LibreOffice or whatever decides to change that for no reason, is annoying, confusing and a good way to ruin someone's day.

There is no reason to stick with other shortcuts

To switch between area and window grab.

I know what does it do, but it’s less intuitive in my opinion

I’m using a macbook as a third computer. The idea of the „cmd” button is interesting, but now practically every keyboard shortcut is different, not even mentioning some mac abominations like how to make a screenshot (cmd+shift+4 then space and you can select a window to grab? is this a joke?)

? You need to attend to a complete course before taking a screenshot properly!

? You need to attend to a complete course before taking a screenshot properly!

That’s mac’s user friendliness for you ;) and about home and end - there’s cmd + arrow keys but still

not even mentioning lack of end and home buttons

fn + ← and fn + → or ⌘ + → and ⌘ + ←

That’s mac’s user friendliness for you ;) and about home and end - there’s cmd + arrow keys but still

Shrug.

What's wrong about it?

Everything in that shortcut is wrong! Compare it to Fn + Prnt Scrn

Everything in that shortcut is wrong! Compare it to Fn + Prnt Scrn

You can tune it.

I mean, I like the battery life and the overall hardware quality, but I have mixed feelings about the os

That’s mac’s user friendliness for you ;) and about home and end - there’s cmd + arrow keys but still

Pfff.... And then they say Linux is complicated... ?

it looks nice from the first sight, it has a decent terminal but there are some things missing I am used to after using Linux for many years

also I have to admit that it seems really stable, I have to give it that

macOS has some quirks, Linux has some quirks...

macOS has some quirks, Linux has some quirks...

true

I mean, at least it's not Windows

??

You can tune it.

I wouldn't need to tune it if they do they're job properly instead of trying to be as different as possible for no reason. Other systems have xx shortcut? Then let's change it! Why? Because we're Mac!

I wouldn't need to tune it if they do they're job properly instead of trying to be as different as possible for no reason. Other systems have xx shortcut? Then let's change it! Why? Because we're Mac!

Uh actually...

I don't think it works like that.

Apple is typically BEFORE anyone else, and others just copy them.

Windows 3.11 was literally designed after Mac

Even Gates admits it :P

Apple is typically BEFORE anyone else, and others just copy them.

If it's for that... UNIX came before anyone else.

I wouldn't need to tune it if they do they're job properly instead of trying to be as different as possible for no reason. Other systems have xx shortcut? Then let's change it! Why? Because we're Mac!

I assume it’s just trying to be compatible with legacy users habits, but thanks to that we have some utterly stupid things like the one menu bar for all applications

If it's for that... UNIX came before anyone else.

We're talking GUIs here.