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Gwindor

01.03.2017
10:14:45

Welcome aboard.

Dhanesh

01.03.2017
10:14:51

if it gets stuck, switch there

Roger that

Shafeeque

01.03.2017
10:15:36

Welcome aboard.

Thanks.!

Tobias?

01.03.2017
10:21:49

[...] A decision was taken to go to Taiwan and from there to Guangdong, China, in order to be able to personally pick up components [...]. Suppliers of all the components will be contacted [...] (the battery company is in Hong Kong for example). Investigations and assessments will be made of the most appropriate China-based online 3D printing company, and the quality of their products and materials assessed very carefully. If it proves necessary to leave Taiwan around this time, all components will be shipped to the USA and Europe, and individual kit packing will take place there.

He goes there and looks at the Workplace, unlike Foxconn with its Suicide Nets and Applel

Google

Tobias?

01.03.2017
10:22:18

And the Pi's HW is "Made in China, assembled in USA" most likely too

Kohane

01.03.2017
10:24:22

Open source VoIP app. Similar to Wire, but P2P. If you don't know Wire, then similar to Skype but less shit ?

That sounds interesting indeed!

And the Pi's HW is "Made in China, assembled in USA" most likely too

Nowadays almost everything in tech is "Made in China, assembled in USA (Japan, EU, whatever)"

天荣

01.03.2017
10:27:22

Nowadays almost everything in tech is "Made in China, assembled in USA (Japan, EU, whatever)"

In the case of MacBooks, made in China, assembled in China, designed in the USA lol

Tobias?

01.03.2017
10:27:35

Atleast Broadcoms BCM is made in China/Taiwan

天荣

01.03.2017
10:27:36

Mac Pros are made and assembled in the USA though

Kohane

01.03.2017
10:27:51

In the case of MacBooks, made in China, assembled in China, designed in the USA lol

Which is even worse, heh

Tobias?

01.03.2017
10:28:30

so your "ethical" choice pays the Board Designers and those that take Components washed with chinese children's blood and assemble them - which is a msotly automated thing, too.

天荣

01.03.2017
10:28:49

so your "ethical" choice pays the Board Designers and those that take Components washed with chinese children's blood and assemble them - which is a msotly automated thing, too.

Ayy

Kohane

01.03.2017
10:29:04

BTW, how do I install Ring @Rustiful ? I'm searching on DNF but it doesn't show up.

Tobias?

01.03.2017
10:29:21

There is only one 100% ethical Tech thing https://www.fairphone.com/en/

And the EOMA, which, unlike others, makes sure by the maker visiting the Factory that Workers get treated fair.

天荣

01.03.2017
10:31:32

BTW, how do I install Ring @Rustiful ? I'm searching on DNF but it doesn't show up.

Not available on Fedora probably

Google

天荣

01.03.2017
10:32:38

https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ring-gnome/

It's there... God bless user repos

Maybe some COPR somewhere.

Kohane

01.03.2017
10:35:21

There is only one 100% ethical Tech thing https://www.fairphone.com/en/

It might be ethical but is f*** expensive. I can buy a Thinkpad with that!

Gwindor

01.03.2017
10:35:33

There is only one 100% ethical Tech thing https://www.fairphone.com/en/

When I will be able to buy only ethical tech, I'd count my life fully successfull.

Kohane

01.03.2017
10:35:59

When I will be able to buy only ethical tech, I'd count my life fully successfull.

Ya, me too

Tobias?

01.03.2017
10:36:14

It might be ethical but is f*** expensive. I can buy a Thinkpad with that!

Somebody has to take the first Step

And of course Material where Slaves didnt mine it is not as cheap

天荣

01.03.2017
10:37:05

There is only one 100% ethical Tech thing https://www.fairphone.com/en/

What about the Librem Purism?

Or the Spanish Slimbooks

Intel is 100% conflict free too

Kohane

01.03.2017
10:38:05

And of course Material where Slaves didnt mine it is not as cheap

Okay. When they make their stuff at a affordable price I'll be happy to buy. Meantime, I'm afraid I can't be "ethical".

Gwindor

01.03.2017
10:38:27

Ya, me too

Untill then, I will buy original Nokia 3310 from Ali Express, chinese hardware and stuff. 'Cause the alternative is not to buy at all.

Kohane

01.03.2017
10:38:51

Intel is 100% conflict free too

No. He's talking about the work conditions and materials, how these are produced.

Untill then, I will buy original Nokia 3310 from Ali Express, chinese hardware and stuff. 'Cause the alternative is not to buy at all.

Exactly.

Gwindor

01.03.2017
10:39:51

To discharge the topic a little, have an engineer kitty.

天荣

01.03.2017
10:39:57

No. He's talking about the work conditions and materials, how these are produced.

Well some CPU manufacturers don't respect human rights and use wars to steal silicon and minerals from zones in conflict.

Kohane

01.03.2017
10:42:03

I had an engineer kitty. He was able to open all kind of boxes and tuppers and most of windows too.

Tobias?

01.03.2017
10:42:20

Well some CPU manufacturers don't respect human rights and use wars to steal silicon and minerals from zones in conflict.

I dont know how Intel can guarantee 100% conflict-free tantal

Google

天荣

01.03.2017
10:42:45

I dont know how Intel can guarantee 100% conflict-free tantal

They likely explain it all somewhere.

If they're lying they can be sued to hell in the USA, so lying is not a smart move for USA companies.

Gwindor

01.03.2017
10:43:32

I dont know how Intel can guarantee 100% conflict-free tantal

From Canada and Australia, for example.

Kohane

01.03.2017
10:44:50

If they're lying they can be sued to hell in the USA, so lying is not a smart move for USA companies.

Well... that's subject to discussion. How likely is that anyone will go to China (that isn't the easiest country to visit) to inspect the factories where these chips are manufactured?

天荣

01.03.2017
10:45:21

Well... that's subject to discussion. How likely is that anyone will go to China (that isn't the easiest country to visit) to inspect the factories where these chips are manufactured?

Conflict free doesn't mean good working conditions.

Gwindor

01.03.2017
10:45:23

Well... that's subject to discussion. How likely is that anyone will go to China (that isn't the easiest country to visit) to inspect the factories where these chips are manufactured?

More likely, to inspect ways the materials are obtained.

天荣

01.03.2017
10:45:52

In case you didn't know, first world companies start wars in African countries to steal the materials while locals are busy fighting civil wars.

As payment, they get weapons.

Kohane

01.03.2017
10:46:05

Conflict free doesn't mean good working conditions.

I mean. In theory they can be sued, but in practice... what are the odds?

天荣

01.03.2017
10:46:21

I mean. In theory they can be sued, but in practice... what are the odds?

Risk is too high to even consider it.

Kohane

01.03.2017
10:46:35

In case you didn't know, first world companies start wars in African countries to steal the materials while locals are busy fighting civil wars.

That's pretty well known and documented. And?

天荣

01.03.2017
10:46:39

Wouldn't be the first time an American company lies and has to pay millions in damages.

天荣

01.03.2017
10:46:48

That's pretty well known and documented. And?

Well, easy: Intel doesn't do any of these.

Worker's conditions are a different discussion.

Gwindor

01.03.2017
10:47:18

Eh, want to know where they are getting materials from? Disassemble the hardware and make an isotope analysis. It might give you a clue where they were obtained.

Or, do the same with resourses that are used to make the hardware.

Kohane

01.03.2017
10:48:04

Risk is too high to even consider it.

I think is the other way round. The risk that any US citizen will travel forth and back to China to inspect these factories or to Africa or any other remote place to check conditions are highly remote.

Gwindor

01.03.2017
10:48:33

2nd ways is easier because I don't know what kind of processing is used during manufacturing and it is could interfere with the analysis.

天荣

01.03.2017
10:48:41

I think is the other way round. The risk that any US citizen will travel forth and back to China to inspect these factories or to Africa or any other remote place to check conditions are highly remote.

You're free to believe that if you wish.

There have been cases documented of American companies getting sued for lying before.

Google

天荣

01.03.2017
10:49:05

Wouldn't be the first or the last.

Gwindor

01.03.2017
10:49:27

You're free to believe that if you wish.

Does that make any real difference though?

天荣

01.03.2017
10:49:49

Does that make any real difference though?

What exactly?

Gwindor

01.03.2017
10:50:06

What exactly?

If their production is really 100% conflict free.

天荣

01.03.2017
10:50:39

If their production is really 100% conflict free.

It depends on what you, as a consumer, are looking for.

Gwindor

01.03.2017
10:50:48

Btw, does AMD claim that their production is conflict free?

天荣

01.03.2017
10:50:51

If you want the most ethical x86 chips it'll have to be Intel.

Btw, does AMD claim that their production is conflict free?

No.

Gwindor

01.03.2017
10:51:08

If you want the most ethical x86 chips it'll have to be Intel.

I see.

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Tobias?

01.03.2017
10:51:35

If you want the most ethical x86 chips it'll have to be Intel.

If you want Intel to not rail in a ton of markup, amd.

天荣

01.03.2017
10:51:35

In fact, AFAIK, no other CPU manufacturer claims this. Not even ARM chip maker's.

Tobias?

01.03.2017
10:51:46

In fact, AFAIK, no other CPU manufacturer claims this. Not even ARM chip maker's.

Fairphones maker.

天荣

01.03.2017
10:51:54

Fairphones maker.

I said CPU maker.

Tobias?

01.03.2017
10:52:05

They have a cpu you know

Gwindor

01.03.2017
10:52:09

I said CPU maker.

But they use a CPU

Tobias?

01.03.2017
10:52:16

And they mean EVERY Component is fair

Gwindor

01.03.2017
10:52:19

And claim it to be 100% ethical.

天荣

01.03.2017
10:52:20

Yeah, and what company makes it?

The CPU

Google

Kohane

01.03.2017
10:52:48

Yeah, and what company makes it?

They explain it in their website. It's quite detailed actually.

Tobias?

01.03.2017
10:53:22

Yeah, and what company makes it?

Its a snap 801

Audited to only get Materials from Conflict-free Mines.

"The tantalum and tin ore is sourced from conflict-free mines in the DRC, the tungsten from Rwanda, and the gold from a Fairtrade-certified mine in Peru"

天荣

01.03.2017
10:53:55

Qualcomm AFAIK isn't conflict free. Might be a special contract with Fairphone though.

Tobias?

01.03.2017
10:54:01

Qualcomm AFAIK isn't conflict free. Might be a special contract with Fairphone though.

It is.

天荣

01.03.2017
10:54:05

The rest of their lineup definitely isn't conflict free.

Tobias?

01.03.2017
10:54:08

They audit all supply Chains

"The Fairphone 2 is assembled by Hi-P in Suzhou, China, in a factory which has been audited to ensure that it meets high standards for working conditions and the environment"

Gwindor

01.03.2017
10:54:25

I know of one more ethical CPU producer. MCST. They aren't allowed to use foreign components on their personal production sites, iirc, so whatever they produce themself is 100% ethical because made in Russia from Russian materials.

But there is very small amout made and it is very expensive.

But, x86 compatible.

Tobias?

01.03.2017
10:56:02

Which is targeting their Ass for suing

天荣

01.03.2017
10:56:08

Is that the ARM CPU with x86 embedded emulator?

Tobias?

01.03.2017
10:56:16

because Intel and AMD have exclusive rights on it

Is that the ARM CPU with x86 embedded emulator?