It is. But for some mysterious reason people keep doing it over and over.

Because... Ugh... Nevermind.

The AUR sucks, man

Agree. And I did try to use it.

If you say so...

Upload "Telegram-dark" and add fraudulent scripts

And then wait if anybody will _ever_ notice

And this thing is enabled on most arch systems by fucking default

Because... Ugh... Nevermind.

Because the common sense is the less common of senses maybe?

And newbies habe 0 idea how to use or evaluate it

And this thing is enabled on most arch systems by fucking default

Not really.

And newbies habe 0 idea how to use or evaluate it

That's their problem.

Why are you trying to protect the user?

Can we stop this Arch vs Fedora, who's better who sucks, please?

Let them do whatever they want lol

It's really getting on my nerves

Can we stop this Arch vs Fedora, who's better who sucks, please?

I was merely discussing the AUR concept though but sure I'll stop.

That's their problem.

No. Sensible would be disabled by default, dont mention it in the Newb Guides and let advanced Users decide to take the Security Risks

Can we stop this Arch vs Fedora, who's better who sucks, please?

It's about why the AUR is shit, not Arch vs. Fedora. Why can't we have a discussion here?

No. Sensible would be disabled by default, dont mention it in the Newb Guides and let advanced Users decide to take the Security Risks

It is disabled by default Tobias.

Can we stop this Arch vs Fedora, who's better who sucks, please?

Its not Arch vs Fedo its the simple Madness of the AUR

It is disabled by default Tobias.

Most guides i've seen heavily recommend it

Yes, but it's not the first time someone starts saying how awesome is AUR.

In any case... Will anyone here want to give it a try if I were to make a similar website to AUR but specifically for Fedora? (And I don't need "no"s, thanks)

If you'd like to beta test drop me a line.

Most guides i've seen heavily recommend it

I needed some stuff for Gimp and the very first thing I was told was "install it from AUR". It didn't work. But that's aside.

It is disabled by default Tobias.

It's a fact that almost nobody uses Arch without AUR. Too many packages are there and it's damn too convenient to use it. So many fall for the trap and expose their systems to great danger.

It's a fact that almost nobody uses Arch without AUR. Too many packages are there and it's damn too convenient to use it. So many fall for the trap and expose their systems to great danger.

Exactly.

There is a reason we have a validation process here in Fedora before someone can become a packager. Because some people on the internet are, in fact, evil.

Uh?

In any case... Will anyone here want to give it a try if I were to make a similar website to AUR but specifically for Fedora? (And I don't need "no"s, thanks)

So a collection of spec files? You mean you're creating pkgs.fedoraproject.org 2.0?

So a collection of spec files? You mean you're creating pkgs.fedoraproject.org 2.0?

Yes but more decentralised.

AUR is a single server, btw

In any case... Will anyone here want to give it a try if I were to make a similar website to AUR but specifically for Fedora? (And I don't need "no"s, thanks)

If you ask a question, you should listen to all the answers and opinions and decide afterwards. Asking adn before anyone replies saying "I only want certain kind of answer" doesn't make much sense IMHO

If you ask a question, you should listen to all the answers and opinions and decide afterwards. Asking adn before anyone replies saying "I only want certain kind of answer" doesn't make much sense IMHO

I'm only asking if people want to participate in such a project. People telling me "I don't want to because it sucks" isn't really useful feedback.

Yes but more decentralised.

What would be the advantage? I think that's rather dangerous and insecure.

What would be the advantage? I think that's rather dangerous and insecure.

You're free to believe that.

What is the advantage?

I am asking you.

Prove me wrong @SANDiskRocks

What is the advantage?

Tons of umanaged, unreviewed Software for everyone

Tons of umanaged, unreviewed Software for everyone

That is not an advantage.... heh

Are you planning to use the spec standard or create yet another packaging format that people need to learn? If you choose spec, then your whole yaourt can be just this shell script: rpmdev-setuptree wget http://aur-for-fedora.org/spec/myfile.spec sudo dnf builddep myfile.spec spectool -gf myfile.spec rpmbuild -ba myfile.spec sudo dnf install ~/rpmbuild/RPMS/myfile.rpm

Are you planning to use the spec standard or create yet another packaging format that people need to learn? If you choose spec, then your whole yaourt can be just this shell script: rpmdev-setuptree wget http://aur-for-fedora.org/spec/myfile.spec sudo dnf builddep myfile.spec spectool -gf myfile.spec rpmbuild -ba myfile.spec sudo dnf install ~/rpmbuild/RPMS/myfile.rpm

Thanks, I'll look into that. I don't plan on reinventing the wheel.

I'm only asking if people want to participate in such a project. People telling me "I don't want to because it sucks" isn't really useful feedback.

Maybe if people tell you that, there is a possibility it could suck and you should take that into consideration and not be stubborn? I'm not saying you should discard the idea completely, but hear the feedback, even the negative feedback!

You can learn from it :)

What is the advantage?

Everything has advantages and disadvantages.

If you don't want a FUR, then... You don't have to use it.

Right. What is the advantage of this?

Easy huh?

Why don't you reply my question?

If you don't want a FUR, then... You don't have to use it.

I personally fear it will turn Fedora into what Arch is right now. Which is exactly the reason I don't use Arch.

Right. What is the advantage of this?

More lenient review processes, trusted reviews, package forums faster updates and wider availability

I personally fear it will turn Fedora into what Arch is right now. Which is exactly the reason I don't use Arch.

You... What?

Uh... Meh. Whatever.

People won't withstand the FUR (@Wolfshappen must like that name btw haha), and it will become more and more the standard. Then, guides will recommend it.

At some point, even the wiki will recommend using it.

This is not a future I want to see with Fedora.

Like Arch does, isn't it?

People won't withstand the FUR (@Wolfshappen must like that name btw haha), and it will become more and more the standard. Then, guides will recommend it.

Hehe :3

This is not a future I want to see with Fedora.

Neither do I.

This is not a future I want to see with Fedora.

The people will choose that.

Neither I nor you will decide.

More lenient review processes, trusted reviews, package forums faster updates and wider availability

"More lenient Review Process" is what we fear here

"More lenient Review Process" is what we fear here

Don't. Use. It.

You. Don't. Have. To.

The people will choose that.

Sometimes, stupid people do stupid decisions. Sometimes, smart people need to stop them from doing that.

It should never come to the Point where "Its on x" = "Its available for Fedora"

More lenient review processes, trusted reviews, package forums faster updates and wider availability

What do you mean? COPR can't be trusted?

ERROR: S client not available

Like is currently on Arch

I personally fear it will turn Fedora into what Arch is right now. Which is exactly the reason I don't use Arch.

Same here.

I'm done with this conversation. I'm not angry, I just wouldn't want to keep discussing this any further.

Sometimes, stupid people do stupid decisions. Sometimes, smart people need to stop them from doing that.

Or at least, not actively advise them to do it.

I'm done with this conversation. I'm not angry, I just wouldn't want to keep discussing this any further.

I hope you nevertheless do take our arguments into consideration. If this is what you want to do for Fedora, then don't let us stop you, but you should nevertheless think about what we said. :)

"Gimp-brush-pepper" is on the AUR, its on Arch! Aka the package is 5 years old, broken and the most installed revision pings every install to the makers tracking server

(There is no gimp-brush-pepper)

EXACTLY

"Gimp-brush-pepper" is on the AUR, its on Arch! Aka the package is 5 years old, broken and the most installed revision pings every install to the makers tracking server

This is the most annoying thing. It's like saying "it's on COPR, so it's available for Fedora!".

Maybe the repo hasn't been updated since F22?

Maybe it never had a successful build?

This is the most annoying thing. It's like saying "it's on COPR, so it's available for Fedora!".

I want atom to make it to the Fedora repo :(

Maybe it never had a successful build?

In any case, even if it has a successful build for Fedora 25 – is the owner trustworthy? Is he going to continue to support the application with updates? Is he going to react if a critical bug is found in that software? Is he going to respond to bug reports?

Because all this is guaranteed with officially packaged software that is in the Fedora repos.

In any case, even if it has a successful build for Fedora 25 – is the owner trustworthy? Is he going to continue to support the application with updates? Is he going to react if a critical bug is found in that software? Is he going to respond to bug reports?

All the Problems that bug the AUR right now

The typical AUR comment section: "I get the following build error, can you help?" – commented three years ago "doesn't build" – commented five years ago No reply from the "maintainer". So you get disappointed and move on.

The typical AUR comment section: "I get the following build error, can you help?" – commented three years ago "doesn't build" – commented five years ago No reply from the "maintainer". So you get disappointed and move on.

Happened to me, and I gave up.

I have a weird bug in Nautilus that when I select multiple folders and I want to see their total size, so I click on "Properties", it starts counting but then the file count and size keep jumping back but never come to rest.

Can anybody try go to his home folder, select everything and then click Properties?

I have a weird bug in Nautilus that when I select multiple folders and I want to see their total size, so I click on "Properties", it starts counting but then the file count and size keep jumping back but never come to rest.

Hmm... That's weird.

Can anybody try go to his home folder, select everything and then click Properties?

I'll do this in a bit.

I have a weird bug in Nautilus that when I select multiple folders and I want to see their total size, so I click on "Properties", it starts counting but then the file count and size keep jumping back but never come to rest.

Symlinks and some Bugs can happen with that

Can anybody try go to his home folder, select everything and then click Properties?

Give me a moment, please. I'll check.

I recommend using "baobab" in the Meantime

My hard disk is huge and Baobab takes its time because it analyzes every single folder. I just care about the total size of the files. Thanks for the suggestion though.

My hard disk is huge and Baobab takes its time because it analyzes every single folder. I just care about the total size of the files. Thanks for the suggestion though.

What about ncdu?

What about ncdu?

For that matter I could just use du -sh myfolder but the point is that the graphical way, using Nautilus, is broken.

Which is part of GNU coreutils.

uhhhh.

This is something I can really applaud about GNOME 3: The screencast functionality. Just increase the recording time in dconf and it's a great tool for quick bug reporting.