boing or annoying cache download

Oh, you mean that you don't want to wait for packages to download?

BTW, what's your mother tongue, @DarioLesca ? If you don't mind me to ask.

I dont't get it.

He behaved like a 5-years-old child. And then stopped. There wasn't much in it.

That's just a shitty sysadmin

I agree.

I have had the chance to do so infinite times, I'm a good guy, and I have always pointed to this mistake when friends around left their laptops after a sudo something.

And I'm very bad girl and walk away without saying a word, just to point it out after they have some problem. OR I do some weird thing in their laptop and then when they protest/complain/wonder what happend I'm like "Oh, I saw it unprotected and thought it would be fun..."

yes, i do not want wait ... is a remove of a installed package

I prefer to refresh cache, I don't like to install old stuff.

Ah. Weird. But well, it's been ages I don't use Workstation.

it's preinstalled in some spins

I'm Italian, and i'm at work ...

When I install a package, I do non use -C option

I'm Italian, and i'm at work ...

I didn't ask where you've been, I just wanted to know the language so it would be easier for me to guess the missing parts. If I know the language, which in this case I know.

When I install a package, I do non use -C option

Neither do I. Just su or sudo.

it_IT

it's preinstalled in some spins

KDE for sure. I have it here, thankfully.

it_IT

Excellent. I know some Italian.

great, but I'm also inexperienced with Telegram and chat ... I keep away from these tools ... if I can

But I love share some my expirience with other

then I'm here some time, when I can and my customers allowe it

great, but I'm also inexperienced with Telegram and chat ... I keep away from these tools ... if I can

I think Telegram is mostly targeted at teens and people rather inexperienced with technology, so you'll catch up in no time :) also there was an IRC gateway some time ago if you prefer that

it's not working currently due to spam and low demand

Teens? You think? All the people I know in Telegram are rather uni students or adults.

Teens? You think? All the people I know in Telegram are rather uni students or adults.

yeah, but the feature set (stickers? gifs?) and general overview makes it look like more targeted at similar group as WhatsApp or Messenger, it's just that WhatsApp was first (or at least somehow got more popular first), and in Messenger you get all your FB friends by default

so now Telegram users are mostly people who don't want WhatsApp nor Messenger, yet want similar featureset

adult >57 ... I use Unix then Linux from '84, redhat then fedora

I also have Telegram for three technical groups, two technical channels, and one private bot so I can use curl to send notifications to my phone :D

adult >57 ... I use Unix then Linux from '84, redhat then fedora

so I would guess IRC is rather your cup of tea :)

#fedora-telegram on freenode, but not bridged currently

of course there's still #fedora there, which is pretty active (I would even risk saying that it has more traffic than this group, which is not quiet)

sorry, but my daily customer knok on my head ... then I do not follow you ...

sorry, but my daily customer knok on my head ... then I do not follow you ...

no problem - Telegram should indicate where do unread messages start, I usually just shut it down for a few hours and then catch up later :)

ok ... thanks.

yeah, but the feature set (stickers? gifs?) and general overview makes it look like more targeted at similar group as WhatsApp or Messenger, it's just that WhatsApp was first (or at least somehow got more popular first), and in Messenger you get all your FB friends by default

WhatsApp is very popular partially because many mobile companies will give you free connection to it while the general use internet has to be paid.

sorry, but my daily customer knok on my head ... then I do not follow you ...

Knocked on your head? How abusive! Report him/her ASAP! ?

WhatsApp is very popular partially because many mobile companies will give you free connection to it while the general use internet has to be paid.

yeah, but that was not the case here when it was becoming popular in my country ;)

but yup, that's also very important

#fedora-telegram on freenode, but not bridged currently

The bot, "teledora" is having some issues. When Justin will be free he said he will try to fix it.

WhatsApp is very popular partially because many mobile companies will give you free connection to it while the general use internet has to be paid.

it's popular because it's popular.

Telegram's a bit on the rebelious side, so I would be suprised if it'd strike a deal with the providers

it's popular because it's popular.

Chicken and egg problem

yeah, but that was not the case here when it was becoming popular in my country ;)

It has been the case in too many countries. Besides it’s phone-like that many elders find it easy to use, while other apps like Messenger or Telegram seem hard for them.

It has been the case in too many countries. Besides it’s phone-like that many elders find it easy to use, while other apps like Messenger or Telegram seem hard for them.

I didn't use WhatsApp for a few years now (when I did it was still paid...), but I always thought that Telegram looks like almost 1:1 copy. Isn't it so?

Telegram's a bit on the rebelious side, so I would be suprised if it'd strike a deal with the providers

Hopefully not. I don’t want it invaded by teenagers and dumbasses. With the due respect.

I didn't use WhatsApp for a few years now (when I did it was still paid...), but I always thought that Telegram looks like almost 1:1 copy. Isn't it so?

telegram looks better

Hopefully not. I don’t want it invaded by teenagers and dumbasses. With the due respect.

IMHO it doesn't matter, I just wouldn't accept such contacts. Telegram has practically no entry barrier, what is not true for example in case of IRC or XMPP

I didn't use WhatsApp for a few years now (when I did it was still paid...), but I always thought that Telegram looks like almost 1:1 copy. Isn't it so?

Because it added features present in other messaging apps, stickers from Facebook, calls from WhatsApp, etc And still lack a few from my point of view.

IMHO it doesn't matter, I just wouldn't accept such contacts. Telegram has practically no entry barrier, what is not true for example in case of IRC or XMPP

Both horrible things that I don’t use unless I’m forced to. So I can’t care less if tomorrow disappear or get invaded by a flock of yelling teens throwing pink kisses and hearts everywhere.

adult >57 ... I use Unix then Linux from '84, redhat then fedora

I’m an adult in their 40s, but didn’t use computers until the new century.

so now Telegram users are mostly people who don't want WhatsApp nor Messenger, yet want similar featureset

Well, I have both, Messenger and Telegram. And all the teenagers seem to gather around WhatsApp or Facebook/Messenger I seldom see one here.

Both horrible things that I don’t use unless I’m forced to. So I can’t care less if tomorrow disappear or get invaded by a flock of yelling teens throwing pink kisses and hearts everywhere.

Hey, XMPP is awesome :D

I'm an adult around 20+s with No whatsapp, facebook, or instagram. Just Telegram and IRC(tried matrix for a day but didn't like it). I'm feeling old now. :P

I'm an adult around 20+s with No whatsapp, facebook, or instagram. Just Telegram and IRC(tried matrix for a day but didn't like it). I'm feeling old now. :P

Facebook's suprisingly useful as a calendar, where you can add public events and see updates about them. Of course I would like something else to be used for that, but this one works ;)

Facebook's suprisingly useful as a calendar, where you can add public events and see updates about them. Of course I would like something else to be used for that, but this one works ;)

I manage my calendar events through Google and it's surprisingly good. I get integration with the GNOME shell calendar and it just sync between my mobile and the desktop.

Yes, it works really well that way

The only thing Facebook would be nice for is a birthday calendar, I guess

But that's definitely not worth it for me

I manage my calendar events through Google and it's surprisingly good. I get integration with the GNOME shell calendar and it just sync between my mobile and the desktop.

yeah, but this way you don't get calendar updates from the organizers unless they send you an email with an ical file (and this is getting rare outside of corporate world)

Hey, XMPP is awesome :D

Okay, I stand corrected. IRC is horrible but XMPP is just unpopular.

XMPP is awesome but no user

Facebook's suprisingly useful as a calendar, where you can add public events and see updates about them. Of course I would like something else to be used for that, but this one works ;)

Yeah, I love it. As my memory is crap this thing is simply perfect.

Setting up own's server for messaging is too annoying for most of the people. They tend to use other existing service, i.e. Facebook

These free service store anything on their server and set-up properly for gernel people

I had tried XMPP but none of my friends even know what it is

I had tried XMPP but none of my friends even know what it is

XMPP was popular at one point. Of course, noone knew it by the "XMPP" name ("Jabber" was more popular, but still a technical name for the protocol). But Google Talk or Tlen.pl was widely known around my friends

those services even had s2s...

even facebook's chat was based on XMPP some time ago

I know what XMPP is but no one tends to use XMPP server that set-up by own

I mean XMPP services like Jabber

I know what XMPP is but no one tends to use XMPP server that set-up by own

I had it in my previous company (closed to outside, but still), but even if people would use public servers with s2s it would be great

I'm now using IRC+Bitlbee for my IM needs, but I need to investigate how to do it using XMPP+Transports on my own

yeah, but this way you don't get calendar updates from the organizers unless they send you an email with an ical file (and this is getting rare outside of corporate world)

Hmm. I have used facebook for birthday calendar in the past but I have synced almost everything from my Facebook account to my google account. So I guess, except for calender updates from friends or organizers, I don't need it anymore. :P

I agree that XMPP is a great protocol but very high set-up cost with using it by own

I agree that XMPP is a great protocol but very high set-up cost with using it by own

you can use a public server

on your own - I hosted a prosody instance once, it was a piece of cake, but you need server and that is costly

I think dreamhost provides XMPP accounts to their shared hostings

I registered a Jabber account many years ago but I simply cannot find anyone who uses that

Interesting!! https://www.happinesspackets.io/

I registered a Jabber account many years ago but I simply cannot find anyone who uses that

I remember there was a big fad for XMPP among geeks in Poland around 2005, it was an IM of choice back then, but I think the fad died, sadly

Oh, that happen often when it updates anything related to networks.

Well, first time for me. Now I know

I use weechat

I use weechat

me too

https://lwn.net/Articles/690166/

I use weechat

Good choice. :)

Couldn't live without a terminal based irc client