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Tobias?
20.10.2018
11:45:46
They obviously do the absolute bare minimum work on it.

But else the addon community is dead (moved to atom/vscode) and the sad left coder is only paid to fix the absolute worst bugs in it.

Будда
20.10.2018
11:46:27
Kohane, why not install atom?
Personally I use multitype redactors. For applied, for web, for embended.

Kohane
20.10.2018
11:46:32
Kohane, why not install atom?
Because I don't like it? Tweaking its appearance it's already annoying.

Google
Будда
20.10.2018
11:46:48
Is that matter what she want to use?

Kohane
20.10.2018
11:47:11
Several hundred megabytes +/-
Doh... that's depressing.

Tobias?
20.10.2018
11:47:13
Is that matter what she want to use?
If its dead software based on outdated engines an next to nil community existing? yes.

Будда
20.10.2018
11:47:42
Tobias?
20.10.2018
11:48:08
If it your opinion and it`s not doing with your confort?
I can also not stop anyone from using firefox 3.5, but i'd tell them to avoid it for the same reasons.

Kohane
20.10.2018
11:48:16
It packs just as much features by default, is extensible and just ~130mb.
Doh. This is not what I call lightweight. Better than "several hundreds" but...

Never use this shitrepo!
Any reasons? Just saying "shitrepo" is not useful, it's just an opinion.

So basically, the options are UnitedRPM or Flatpak, but Flatpak will download a horrible amount of stuff? Am I correct?

Tobias?
20.10.2018
11:51:32
Any reasons? Just saying "shitrepo" is not useful, it's just an opinion.
With vitali being a packager and a pretty good understanding of how a .spec file SHOULD look i'd kinda be inclidned to trust him on that.

Будда
20.10.2018
11:51:36
Vitaly
20.10.2018
11:51:55
Because they thiefs. They took RPM SPECs from Russian Fedora and RPMFusion, removed copyrights and created UnitedRPMS. Typical UnitedRPMS SPEC: http://i.imgur.com/aju3LVO.png They deleted their COPR Repos but we can still fetch history via Git: http://copr-dist-git.fedorainfracloud.org/cgit/paulcarroty/test/chromium.git/commit/?h=f24&id=1c4e6fc3ccd9fa2f32bae4130356ff23dba6f35c

Google
Tobias?
20.10.2018
11:52:16
How old are you?
Why would it matter? Also, 23.

Kohane
20.10.2018
11:52:47
^ this.
Uh. Well, that's a reason. So from this I understand that said package will be in RPM Fusion?

Tobias?
20.10.2018
11:54:03
Ontop of all the other things like it being heavily outdated, stopped development and all.

Vitaly
20.10.2018
11:54:39
Uh. Well, that's a reason. So from this I understand that said package will be in RPM Fusion?
brackets will never be in RPM Fusion because it was dropped by upstream and no longer supported by Adobe.

Kohane
20.10.2018
11:55:49
Ontop of all the other things like it being heavily outdated, stopped development and all.
Well, it has a recent update and works fine in Windows, so I assume that it should work fine in Linux if I could install it. But there are only source code that I don't want to deal with, and then the Flatpak but it's apalling that it's not going to ask before installing.

Tobias?
20.10.2018
11:55:57
https://github.com/adobe/brackets/tree/master/src @Kohane just look at this tree. It is very, very much dead. All they updated was some cssproperties.

Будда
20.10.2018
11:56:02
@Kohane personally I wanted to use brackets for web. But now I use VScode for it. They`re not similar, but.

Ilya
20.10.2018
11:56:03
Kohane
20.10.2018
11:56:42
Kohane
20.10.2018
11:57:24
I think I will end up in Flatpak at some point, maybe borrowing connection from the train or something. I miss my unlimited internet ?

Будда
20.10.2018
11:57:28
Really, to develop now get started with either atom or if you want telemetry like there is no tomorrow vscode.
I use atom+vim, vscode and eclipse. So what? I don`t understand your fanatic mastrubation on N_name product?

Kohane
20.10.2018
11:57:34
Tobias?
20.10.2018
11:57:36
or invest a few days in neovim/emacs
Thats the pretty hardcore route and only pays off after some time. xD

Будда
20.10.2018
11:57:53
Google
Tobias?
20.10.2018
11:58:01
Будда
20.10.2018
11:58:05
they have great support for rust modules use

Tobias?
20.10.2018
11:58:15
What you dont get is that there are valid reasons against Software x.

If you can live with those then fine, but i will bring them up so you'll have to make the decision against them knowing them.

Будда
20.10.2018
11:58:39
Oh, yeah. All properiaty software is evil. Yeah.

Tobias?
20.10.2018
11:58:48
You want to attribute this to zealousy, i get it. But this time you'll have to confront that someone has an opinion backed by facts.

Vitaly
20.10.2018
11:59:39
Kohane
20.10.2018
11:59:58
Really, to develop now get started with either atom or if you want telemetry like there is no tomorrow vscode.
Yeah, I already have VS Code. I installed it just in case I wouldn't be able to install Brackets. I don't like Atom, it might be hackable and whatnot, but... no.

Barrel
20.10.2018
12:00:45
Meanwhile I just use vim, I happen to be working on making a magical multi-use IDE with nix though :P

Kohane
20.10.2018
12:01:15
Kohane
20.10.2018
12:01:22
I absolutely dislike Vim

Barrel
20.10.2018
12:01:28
But with different deployment methods

Tobias?
20.10.2018
12:01:38
vim
Nice one. xD

Kohane
20.10.2018
12:01:43
Whatever. Vim and Emacs are horrible no matter what.

Будда
20.10.2018
12:01:45
Barrel
20.10.2018
12:02:00
Whatever. Vim and Emacs are horrible no matter what.
Emacs is somewhat usable for a layman, at least

Tobias?
20.10.2018
12:02:00
I have found some other ide that tries to emulate vim with gui and ready-made extensions but i forgot its name

Barrel
20.10.2018
12:02:04
It's just not really pretty

Google
Kohane
20.10.2018
12:02:08
My life is already complicated, I don't need the software to overcomplicate it.

Barrel
20.10.2018
12:02:30
(I actually do like the vim plugin for VSCode though, it's pretty decent)

Tobias?
20.10.2018
12:02:35
VSCode + vim plugin?
Of course not, i'd never think about using telemetry galore.

Будда
20.10.2018
12:02:43
VSCode + vim plugin?
Atom with vim plugins and VSCode with atom keymap (lol)

Kohane
20.10.2018
12:02:56
Emacs is somewhat usable for a layman, at least
Both are horrible. And ugly. And annoying. I get distracted all the time, just the interface is awful.

Будда
20.10.2018
12:02:59
VSCode + vim plugin?
VSCode is too unconfortable with vim

Retropikzel??
20.10.2018
12:03:07
I wish vim had vim plugin so I could vim while I vim

Будда
20.10.2018
12:03:28
Barrel
20.10.2018
12:03:44
Tobias?
20.10.2018
12:03:50
oni?
Oh yeah, that looks like it actually.

Barrel
20.10.2018
12:03:55
just use :term then vim

Kohane
20.10.2018
12:03:57
Well, I guess is either United RPM or Flatpack. I'll think it over and choose one. Probably by throwing a coin. ?

Kohane
20.10.2018
12:04:45
distracted? they both only have a modeline
Yeah, that's what distracts me. That are utterly ugly and everything has to be done with key combinations and sort.

Vitaly
20.10.2018
12:05:05
Будда
20.10.2018
12:05:10
aliance

Google
Kohane
20.10.2018
12:05:14
I quickly forget what I'm trying to do while searching for the bloody key combinations.

Будда
20.10.2018
12:05:22
or how it called

Kohane
20.10.2018
12:05:38
I got banned if write about deb repos?
No, but it's pointless. Deb repos are not compatible with Fedora/RH repos.

Будда
20.10.2018
12:05:53
Tobias?
20.10.2018
12:06:05
Kohane
20.10.2018
12:06:34
United conflicts with RPM Fusion.
I don't have any third party repositories installed. And you already said that Brackets is not in RPM Fusion.

Tobias?
20.10.2018
12:06:38
there are method to port it
The alien deb installer is a horrible thing and debs should not be treated to non-debian-based distros.

Retropikzel??
20.10.2018
12:06:42
I quickly forget what I'm trying to do while searching for the bloody key combinations.
After a while it becomes easier and then you dont even have think about it. I figured if Im going to write code for decades I might as well learn something powerfull even if it takes a while

Tobias?
20.10.2018
12:06:49
Its an almost guaranteed way to damage things in the long run.

Будда
20.10.2018
12:07:20
Tobias?
20.10.2018
12:07:28
but it's necessary for some gog games
Thats what i got my gaming vm for. :P

Будда
20.10.2018
12:07:45
By the way the best way is compile from src.

Tobias?
20.10.2018
12:07:45
We'll see again in one or two distro upgrades.

Kohane
20.10.2018
12:07:50
After a while it becomes easier and then you dont even have think about it. I figured if Im going to write code for decades I might as well learn something powerfull even if it takes a while
My memory is horribly short. If I remember one shortcut I'll forget something else. Therefore, I like programs that are simple stupid. All GUI and sort, so I don't have to remember anything.

Tobias?
20.10.2018
12:07:58
By the way the best way is compile from src.
No. Best is to install from your distros repos.

Будда
20.10.2018
12:07:58
Tobias?
20.10.2018
12:08:10
So you get versioning and automatic updates.

Kohane
20.10.2018
12:08:16
Sorry, but that's the sad true and it's been like that for 40 years so it's unlikely that it will ever change

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