and they still spy on all facebook stuff

lmoa really

you have to admit that it doesn't change much over the years, if someone started using Linux around 1997 and feels at home with WindowMaker... ;)

yeah fair i guess

seems likely

I don't know any messaging app that encrypts metadata. Seems impossible to me

I don't know any messaging app that encrypts metadata. Seems impossible to me

TOX over TOR may be close IMHO

Before Whatsapp people talked using texts, not encrypted at all. I hate when @AnXh3L0 calls them "idiots"

I thought about something related to arts but I realised I don't fancy to repeat myself. So I picked security.

Oh nice

TOX over TOR may be close IMHO

That's true.

However not usable on mobile

I also have to check out Ring

Metadata not being encrypted?

Metadata, neither timestamping, neither files

Before Whatsapp people talked using texts, not encrypted at all. I hate when @AnXh3L0 calls them "idiots"

You don't _seriously_ trust WhatsApp's encryption, do you?

Whatsapp seems to be a great compromise, actually

You don't _seriously_ trust WhatsApp's encryption, do you?

Yes I do

Tox is too unstable. Noone of my friends are using it.

Whatsapp seems to be a great compromise, actually

Hahaha, nice joke.

Metadata, neither timestamping, neither files

Also, it's pretty easy to fake the end

WhatsApp is a piece of crap. ?

Tox is too unstable. Noone of my friends are using it.

Yeah, that's the main problem I have with it, it's cool when you think about it, but when you actually try to use it it sometimes works, sometimes it doesn't

Signal seems pretty cool

as well

but it's not the same

Yes I do

That's simply delusional. WhatsApp, bought by a company that makes money off of your data, promises to implement a super-secure encryption. Hahaha

Signal seems pretty cool

Signal is the same shit as whatsapp

Signal is the same shit as whatsapp

Except that it's libre and you can verify the encryption.

https://tox.chat/index.html tox got super polished looking while i ignored it

The same with other name and less features lol

i just had a look and i am surprised how complete it looks

Signal is the same shit as whatsapp

not really...

That's simply delusional. WhatsApp, bought by a company that makes money off of your data, promises to implement a super-secure encryption. Hahaha

Well, that same company got blocked in Brazil 2 times because they did not want to leak user conversations

The same with other name and less features lol

That's wrong

I prefer XMPP on my own server with OTR end-to-end encryption.

Signal is the current recommendation of practically everyone who knows about security

Well, that same company got blocked in Brazil 2 times because they did not want to leak user conversations

Because they couldn't, maybe

Except that it's libre and you can verify the encryption.

Not at all, as far as I know the client version in the store is not free

Well, that same company got blocked in Brazil 2 times because they did not want to leak user conversations

They collect data for themselves, not for other governments, obviously.

They don't make money off of data that they give to governments for free.

Not at all, as far as I know the client version in the store is not free

https://github.com/WhisperSystems/Signal-Android

Not at all, as far as I know the client version in the store is not free

Well, then you're wrong.

I prefer XMPP on my own server with OTR end-to-end encryption.

essentially, this. With decentralisation you don't have to share any data with noone you don't trust

Well if they made money of conversations on Whatsapp they would be very upset being blocked 2 times in a whole country don't u think

build it yourself then @JustDevZero

Well if they made money of conversations on Whatsapp they would be very upset being blocked 2 times in a whole country don't u think

For a few hours? Doubt it.

essentially, this. With decentralisation you don't have to share any data with noone you don't trust

not really. For example email is decentralised but if you email someone who has GMail google has that email

https://github.com/WhisperSystems/Signal-Android

to be honest AFAIK the voice conversation part isn't open source

Well if they made money of conversations on Whatsapp they would be very upset being blocked 2 times in a whole country don't u think

Majority of Brazilians are using WhatsApp just like before. Nothing changed.

to be honest AFAIK the voice conversation part isn't open source

The server part of it, yes.

to be honest AFAIK the voice conversation part isn't open source

idk about that but dani said about the client and there it is

essentially, this. With decentralisation you don't have to share any data with noone you don't trust

With decentralization you get your server pwned by a Russian teenager in 2h, too

not really. For example email is decentralised but if you email someone who has GMail google has that email

Yeah, but you can still use email without emailing anyone having google account

build it yourself then @JustDevZero

Don't need it, no one of my people use it, so...

you can use your own email servers, companies do that all the time

With decentralization you get your server pwned by a Russian teenager in 2h, too

Only if you suck at setting it up.

not really. For example email is decentralised but if you email someone who has GMail google has that email

Encrypt your message with GPG public key of your recipient.

Yeah, but you can still use email without emailing anyone having google account

yeah i'm sure asking someone to make a new email account just to talk to you will go down well

Only if you suck at setting it up.

We're talking about people using Whatsapp right now. Not Linux folks.

Oh nice

Thanks ?

Encrypt your message with GPG public key of your recipient.

adds friction to the experience, no one wants taht

some of you people are freaking delusional

i'm out

yeah i'm sure asking someone to make a new email account just to talk to you will go down well

and asking them to sign up for new IM service will?

not really. For example email is decentralised but if you email someone who has GMail google has that email

That's why one uses encryption.

https://github.com/WhisperSystems/Signal-Android

Good to know

I was wrong with that, then Pd: thanks for prove me wrong ;)

I see your point but still, with email you've got possibility to do so, in companies where you've got trade secrets it's how it's done

WhatsApp is a piece of crap. ?

Amen!

We're talking about people using Whatsapp right now. Not Linux folks.

Decentralization doesn't mean you _have_ to set up a server. Use an existing one if you don't know how to properly set one up.

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Decentralization doesn't mean you _have_ to set up a server. Use an existing one if you don't know how to properly set one up.

So everyone will end using Jappix

I was wrong with that, then Pd: thanks for prove me wrong ;)

Any other reason why "Signal is the same as WhatsApp"?

So everyone will end using Jappix

No, there's tons of providers.

Decentralization doesn't mean you _have_ to set up a server. Use an existing one if you don't know how to properly set one up.

You can even pay to use a commercial server done by a provider you trust, so you can be sure you're a customer, not a product.

So maybe you should consider use the server of people payed for being security engineers like at Facebook

Before Whatsapp people talked using texts, not encrypted at all. I hate when @AnXh3L0 calls them "idiots"

Wtf, where did I say "idiots"?

So maybe you should consider use the server of people payed for being security engineers like at Facebook

If your messages are encrypted, sure why not?

even idiots from WhatsApps have calls

Sorry

Not you

If your messages are encrypted, sure why not?

Yep like Whatsapp already does then

Any other reason why "Signal is the same as WhatsApp"?

As for this part, yes. They do the same encryption method "theorically"

Yep like Whatsapp already does then

Ugh, stop being so delusional.

As the creators from Signal said

I prefer XMPP on my own server with OTR end-to-end encryption.

^^^

And this make me dislike both "companies"

Ugh, stop being so delusional.

Well I prefer using Signal, actually. But talking using Whatsapp is more secure than talking using Telegram, imo

WhatsApp's encryption IS NOT SAFE. They won't voluntarily pay thousands of dollars for something that forbids them to snoop in their user's messages.

Because it looks a bit shady

WhatsApp's encryption IS NOT SAFE. They won't voluntarily pay thousands of dollars for something that forbids them to snoop in their user's messages.

Maybe they don't snoop on users messages

Well I prefer using Signal, actually. But talking using Whatsapp is more secure than talking using Telegram, imo

They can't be compared well imho. Telegram has a proven, but weird encryption while WhatsApp has a good encryption that one can't be sure if it even exists.

They can't be compared well imho. Telegram has a proven, but weird encryption while WhatsApp has a good encryption that one can't be sure if it even exists.

Telegram has no end to end encryption

even idiots from WhatsApps have calls

That's a good counter-argument, really. None of our libre/open-source alternatives can do things that "normal people" like to do, like calls and video chats.

Telegram has no end to end encryption

It has LoL

Telegram has no end to end encryption

You're wrong. Telegram has secret chats that are end-to-end encrypted, and they implement PFS.

It has LoL

Well people use it to share secrets.

It has LoL

Not on by default afaik

Not everyday conversations

Not on by default afaik

Here you got the point

With decentralization you get your server pwned by a Russian teenager in 2h, too

Do you know what it is OTR? GPG? Even if it is leaked the data is encrypted.

Well, i use telegram e2e+otr

GPG is PITA to use for a casual user, sadly.