Me neither but stealing away competition by whatever means necessary is supposed to be wrong. That's what I believe.

It is wrong yes, but there's a lot of competition nowadays, no need to keep alive a random not particularly good browser.

It is wrong yes, but there's a lot of competition nowadays, no need to keep alive a random not particularly good browser.

Which browser do you use?

I've always wondered by browsers didn't cost a premium. IMO companies would be rich AF if they did so.

Because nobody would use computers then. The main use for half of the population is browsing. But the point is that you have it for free.

Which browser do you use?

Chrome & Firefox, Opera sometimes.

Because nobody would use computers then. The main use for half of the population is browsing. But the point is that you have it for free.

No, but if they started out as premium, there's no denying that it would soon catch up and people would buy em.

Falkon is a nice one too

Hi there, I just updated fedora 27 to kernel 4.16.7-200 a now is mess, Compiz and kwin are unusable because high court usage, also logout doesn't work, any ideas?

No, but if they started out as premium, there's no denying that it would soon catch up and people would buy em.

Or stop using it all together, turning internet a luxury for rich people

*high cpu

Hi there, I just updated fedora 27 to kernel 4.16.7-200 a now is mess, Compiz and kwin are unusable because high court usage, also logout doesn't work, any ideas?

Gpu?

Oh, you mean from the beginning @rm_rfasterisk ? Then internet would have never become popular.

Gpu?

Gpu is amd 5450

Oh, you mean from the beginning @rm_rfasterisk ? Then internet would have never become popular.

Yes. From the beginning.

Mozilla infact somehow changed the internet. @Kohane .

Yes. From the beginning.

It would have never become popular. If you have to pay for both connection and software, and let's remember how ridiculously expensive and slow connections were back in the moment, nobody would have joined. It would have remained as a toy for rich people like the smartwatches or augmented reality devices.

Mozilla infact somehow changed the internet. @Kohane .

Yes, true.

Welcome!

Hey guys, something's bothering me for quite sometime about my startup performance on my F28 laptop. I did a systemd-anaylze critical-chain to see that firewalld.service is taking up around 16 seconds of boot-time. Is this normal? I was thinking about disabling it to ease up boot times but am unsure if doing so would be sane and safe. this is my personal laptop if it matters.

I've disabled a ton of unused systemd units on my system already. the boot times suck and I'm trying to narrow down. What do you guys see with your boot times? do you guys use firewalld or just switch to iptables?

I've disabled a ton of unused systemd units on my system already. the boot times suck and I'm trying to narrow down. What do you guys see with your boot times? do you guys use firewalld or just switch to iptables?

I have disabled "network auto connect on lan (wired) connection" . This gave me a boost in bootup speed. Check your networkmanager-wait-online.service.

As for as firewalld is concerned, I kept it enabled.

I have disabled "network auto connect on lan (wired) connection" . This gave me a boost in bootup speed. Check your networkmanager-wait-online.service.

Isn't networkmanager-wait-online.service just an alias to undermine the startup of eth0 and wlan? Since I'm barely on ethernet, disabling it should be fine I guess.

Isn't networkmanager-wait-online.service just an alias to undermine the startup of eth0 and wlan? Since I'm barely on ethernet, disabling it should be fine I guess.

It's actually as the name tells, waits for any connection so that the network manager can connect it to. So I have disabled auto connect and now it doesn't wait for a long time anymore.

Got it, Thanks!

Also if you can take a bite, could you tell me when the SSH daemon starts running during the boot-time? I don't see it in the boot chain (in the above screen capture) but it's active before lightdm starts.

Hey guys, something's bothering me for quite sometime about my startup performance on my F28 laptop. I did a systemd-anaylze critical-chain to see that firewalld.service is taking up around 16 seconds of boot-time. Is this normal? I was thinking about disabling it to ease up boot times but am unsure if doing so would be sane and safe. this is my personal laptop if it matters.

Disabling your firewall sounds like a bad idea. On my system firewalld takes around 570ms.

Disabling your firewall sounds like a bad idea. On my system firewalld takes around 570ms.

Ugh, I know :( 570ms omg! my firewalld needs a rad detection now.

I've disabled a ton of unused systemd units on my system already. the boot times suck and I'm trying to narrow down. What do you guys see with your boot times? do you guys use firewalld or just switch to iptables?

HDD or SSD?

HDD or SSD?

HDD 5400

yeah, you won't gain much

you think it's time?

even by disabling things

Also if you can take a bite, could you tell me when the SSH daemon starts running during the boot-time? I don't see it in the boot chain (in the above screen capture) but it's active before lightdm starts.

sshd runs when you have enabled it to run at boot by systemctl enable sshd.service.

sshd runs when you have enabled it to run at boot by systemctl enable sshd.service.

It's already systemctl enabled on my system. I think it appears in the plymouth log, cool.

INsANe speeds

it's still too slow

Ssd?

yes

what's the firmware and loader about?

Do you guys use telegram-desktop from copr?

why from copr?

it's on official repos

Is it?

Is it?

Rpmfusion, yes.

The copr is long outdated.

It even asks you to use rpmfusion instead.

Oh, okay. I'll do that then. Thanks :)

I've still not been using fedora long enough :P I'm finally settling on one distro after 6 years of distro hopping

Power save profile on a laptop

Is it possible that it's not firewalld but a dependency of firewalld that takes so long to start?

Rpmfusion, yes.

Really? I think I've downloaded it from official repo. I don't use rpmfusion

Really? I think I've downloaded it from official repo. I don't use rpmfusion

Wait, forget what I said

I really wish it would integrate with GNOME's notification manager though

I really wish it would integrate with GNOME's notification manager though

Try disabling sth similar to native notifications in telegram?

In the settings pane

Let's wait for a notification and see if it works

Sure, is it working? Post screenshots?

Is it possible that it's not firewalld but a dependency of firewalld that takes so long to start?

systemd-analyze plot > boot.svg

systemd-analyze plot > boot.svg

I did this. But it shows only firewalld's time and nothing beyond. Do you know of a way to see the child processes of firewalld?

Maybe I should enable debug ?

ERROR: S client not available

systemctl list-dependencies firewalld.service should give you the targets firewalld needs.

I've disabled a ton of unused systemd units on my system already. the boot times suck and I'm trying to narrow down. What do you guys see with your boot times? do you guys use firewalld or just switch to iptables?

How long does your boot take?

I did this. But it shows only firewalld's time and nothing beyond. Do you know of a way to see the child processes of firewalld?

...That cannot be.

boot.svg contains a long svg of all boot elements.

Hey guys

I did this. But it shows only firewalld's time and nothing beyond. Do you know of a way to see the child processes of firewalld?

Try using systemctl list-dependencies firewalld --plain | tr -d ' ' file systemd-analyze blame | grep -F -f file To get a list of firewalld dependencies (that are still active) and their init time

Does anyone know is there a normal non-workaround way to use both systemctl and sys v services? I see that on a server there are lots of old-fasioned init scripts for some services. Systemctl refers to systemd-sysv-generator while launching services using systemctl. I can create old-style init scripts, but I would like to use a systemd for that. Is there a drawbacks (and possibility) to combine both of them? The argument "your plan to combine is stupid" is enouth for me to forget about systemd, but still.

Does anyone know is there a normal non-workaround way to use both systemctl and sys v services? I see that on a server there are lots of old-fasioned init scripts for some services. Systemctl refers to systemd-sysv-generator while launching services using systemctl. I can create old-style init scripts, but I would like to use a systemd for that. Is there a drawbacks (and possibility) to combine both of them? The argument "your plan to combine is stupid" is enouth for me to forget about systemd, but still.

Drawbacks : sysv compatibility is already taken out of fedora by default afaik and will be entirely removed by most distros rather soon. You'd have two inits that would track different cgroups and they'd have a really hard time managing each other - and again, sysv compat is just as bad. just write systemd units for the leftover sysv startscripts instead.

And the thing to forget is the umaintained, non-major one so sysv, not systemd :P

Drawbacks : sysv compatibility is already taken out of fedora by default afaik and will be entirely removed by most distros rather soon. You'd have two inits that would track different cgroups and they'd have a really hard time managing each other - and again, sysv compat is just as bad. just write systemd units for the leftover sysv startscripts instead.

I forgot to mention: it's on ubuntu server 16.04. That's why there are dozen of sysv init scripts, I think. But still, the answer is applicable to my situation, thanks.

I've installed the powerline-fonts from the repo, but agnoster on oh-my-zsh still doesn't show the arrows, do I need to install the fonts manually?

Have you edited your .zshrc?

afaik, you have to enable it there.

I've set the theme to agnoster, do I have to set a font? is that what you mean?

Yes. But I can be wrong about the place to add the fonts to.

Maybe you have to edit a configuration file of your terminal to set new fonts. I remember facing a similar issue with urxvt.

Okay, that's great thanks :) I've changed the font in GNOME terminal and the arrows work properly :)

Gnome is thinking about delete the execution option from nautilus

You wont be able to run apps from nautilus

I suppose it closes down the risk of people just clicking to run apps because they are there

I suppose it closes down the risk of people just clicking to run apps because they are there

So u cant run apps on the computer...niceeeeeeee they should also prevent users from installing software from anywhere bu their servers...is this gnome or apple?

I never suggested you can't run apps on a computer, just that you can't run them from the file manager is a sensible idea

You wont be able to run apps from nautilus

When have you last done that?

They dont take out the ability to execute it.

I guess the important distinction is that you cannot start executables from within nautilus, i.e. no elf or sh. They're not gonna disable running e.g. evince when clicking on pdfs, if I read it correctly.

When have you last done that?

Exactly my point. It stops idiots installign spyware, just means you have to run it from elsewhere

Just for users to run anything not either installed properly or having a shortcut added.

plus right click open in terminal ./application