But the error handling of PHP is the worst, you can have many big errors and it simply writes them in the log

Python will scream at you untill you fixed wahtever the error is

unless you specifically write for it to ignore the error

Python will scream at you untill you fixed wahtever the error is

laravel/whoops will too.

laravel/whoops will too.

Oh look

Full stacktrace, environemt, values given.

someone fixed PHP

And with barrydvh/debugbar you also get query, auth and request history.

Give whoever did this a beer and a barwench.

It even screams for tiny errors by default, like undefined vars that'd just be NULL in plain php.

Laravel is good, but that things are responsability of the lenguage, not of a framework

It even screams for tiny errors by default, like undefined vars that'd just be NULL in plain php.

Same in lumen as well?

And many people even do not use frameworks, but plain PHP, which is a hell

I want to replace Gnome with something light weight, something that is efficient. GNOME and efficient are two completely opposite terms it seems.

Same in lumen as well?

Yep, just add whoops as development dependency

I want to replace Gnome with something light weight, something that is efficient. GNOME and efficient are two completely opposite terms it seems.

LightDM? XD

because if that's the case I will just use lumen after testing with python

I want to replace Gnome with something light weight, something that is efficient. GNOME and efficient are two completely opposite terms it seems.

I use it everywhere because nothing else has been as stable and crash-free for me to let me get my shit done.

I use it everywhere because nothing else has been as stable and crash-free for me to let me get my shit done.

XFCE?

I use it everywhere because nothing else has been as stable and crash-free for me to let me get my shit done.

Yep, same here

XFCE?

Hates my cross-gpu setup.

XFCE?

Xfce really hates my keyboard media controls

Hates my cross-gpu setup.

Unfortunate

Xfce really hates my keyboard media controls

Unfortunate

Maybe MATE then?

I'll just stick with gnome, it's not like I have performance limitations with my system

It even screams for tiny errors by default, like undefined vars that'd just be NULL in plain php.

Hell, Go is even worse (not in general, in this context) After all your rants about Go, I did try it out. And it screams about unused variables. Also, I like that it doesn't use OOP.

Mate or LXDE?

I use LXDE and XFCE

CInnamon :D

Or Cinnamon

And many people even do not use frameworks, but plain PHP, which is a hell

I know, i have been cleansed of that luckily.

Mate or LXDE?

dafaq dude. i3

dafaq dude. i3

Not the best for everyone.

Hell, Go is even worse (not in general, in this context) After all your rants about Go, I did try it out. And it screams about unused variables. Also, I like that it doesn't use OOP.

*better. It will prevent errors of the kind that happen in php all the time but get ignored because devs set lousy error reporting levels.

Mate or LXDE?

Crash, Crash.

Crash, Crash.

I cannot deny I have crashed a few times with LXDE

Hell, Go is even worse (not in general, in this context) After all your rants about Go, I did try it out. And it screams about unused variables. Also, I like that it doesn't use OOP.

And i love it being a bit decoupled from oop. It allows me to get stuff done faster and modularize it even more.

But I have nevered crashed with MATE though

And i love it being a bit decoupled from oop. It allows me to get stuff done faster and modularize it even more.

But Rust is better ?

Hey all!

Finally found Fedora group

?

But I have nevered crashed with MATE though

I can, i just run it on my old workplace dell that had two monitors attached to intel and two to nouveau nvidia. Binary driver package would just insta-crash, most DEs that werent gnome did too.

Compile errors are always better than runtime errors

Hey all!

Hello!!!

I mean now i have an all-amd firepro setup managing everything but back then it was a horrible time.

Compile errors are always better than runtime errors

go throws compile time initialisation errors.

go build/run will not progress with imports missing or things not defined.

You cannot even turn that off afaik.

go throws compile time initialisation errors.

I know, but it lacks of Rust ownership system

Rusts what?

OK, I've recently decided to dual boot Win10 and Fedora 27. I've managed to install it and the first thing I've noticed is the resolution. My guess was because of Nvidia drivers. I tried a couple of solutions (rpm fusion free and non free and the if-true-then-false) and this ended up ruining Fedora. How do I uninstall all instances of nvidia so I can just live with 800x600 resolution? *SOB*

Look, in the battle of browsers google already won out imho, by having more resources. Which of the two companies also used a 5 year lomg design process with the best in class language designers to make golang?

Rusts what?

The variables ownership concept and lifetimes that enable race conditions detection in compile time

OK, I've recently decided to dual boot Win10 and Fedora 27. I've managed to install it and the first thing I've noticed is the resolution. My guess was because of Nvidia drivers. I tried a couple of solutions (rpm fusion free and non free and the if-true-then-false) and this ended up ruining Fedora. How do I uninstall all instances of nvidia so I can just live with 800x600 resolution? *SOB*

Reinstall it? And the lousy resolution may be fixable in two ways: either your edid is broken and fedora cant parse it so you can simply enforce a resolution instead or you can try to disable the nvidia from loading, if you have intel as well, and use intel graphics instead.

The variables ownership concept and lifetimes that enable race conditions detection in compile time

"enable race conditions at compile time" sounds a little wrong. xD

*Detection

Sorry for my English ?

Reinstall it? And the lousy resolution may be fixable in two ways: either your edid is broken and fedora cant parse it so you can simply enforce a resolution instead or you can try to disable the nvidia from loading, if you have intel as well, and use intel graphics instead.

How do I reinstall? My laptop doesn't seem to load from my USB anymore. Despite the boot order already specified in BIOS. Also, not sure if an i7 intel can do more than 800x600??

Oh and of course, golang has made concurrent computing even easier - goroutines are laughably easy to do and fast + light. And with them you cannot run into race conditions unless you manually dig way deeper and use message queues.

Oh and it just loads grub menu

How do I reinstall? My laptop doesn't seem to load from my USB anymore. Despite the boot order already specified in BIOS. Also, not sure if an i7 intel can do more than 800x600??

Of course and i7 can do way more than 800x600.

Of course and i7 can do way more than 800x600.

Interesting

Holy damn intel graphics is sufficient for everything up to light gaming.

ERROR: S client not available

I just added the memory consumption of all the processes and it is 832MB but the memory consumption is 2.2GB

How do I reinstall? My laptop doesn't seem to load from my USB anymore. Despite the boot order already specified in BIOS. Also, not sure if an i7 intel can do more than 800x600??

Play with your bios a bit.

I just added the memory consumption of all the processes and it is 832MB but the memory consumption is 2.2GB

Use htop as root instead.

Play with your bios a bit.

Ayte

That will show you the real Consumption. Plus press shift-h to hide threads (unnecessary to get ram usage) and k to see kernel processes as well.

What you see as ram consumption may not actually be ram usage but instead cached files/program cache. Which shows as "used" overall but in reality is free.

The ram is rightfully shown as "full" because it is being used - so i can later reload tools faster, browse webpages with less swapping or play a movie scene again in mpv.

Nonetheless could linux dump everything in that and instantly give it to another starting tool if needed without swapping.

It seems copr.fedorainfracloud.org is down. Can anyone please confirm?

It seems copr.fedorainfracloud.org is down. Can anyone please confirm?

Also, is it just me or is copr slow generally?

It seems copr.fedorainfracloud.org is down. Can anyone please confirm?

I got some coprs this morning. Lemme try in a bit.

I got some coprs this morning. Lemme try in a bit.

okay.

Good afternoon everyone

I need some help please

Good afternoon everyone

Good afternoon Geese.

I have a Lan with 87 pc that are running windows and i can't see them from my fedora or ubuntu.

Good afternoon Geese.

Only on telegram can you say that and mean it :P

But i can ping them

I've tried Samba

Without good result.

Application size increases by 50 KB??

Oh, I didn't think about. Now I understand why. ?

I have a Lan with 87 pc that are running windows and i can't see them from my fedora or ubuntu.

https://docs.fedoraproject.org/f27/system-administrators-guide/servers/File_and_Print_Servers.html Try it and tell me if you face any problem. Also check firewall to open samba ports.

https://docs.fedoraproject.org/f27/system-administrators-guide/servers/File_and_Print_Servers.html Try it and tell me if you face any problem. Also check firewall to open samba ports.

Thank you. I'm going to try it this evening.

http://dabzse.net it's working

Oh, I didn't think about. Now I understand why. ?

You really care about about 50 Kilo bytes? It was a joke aimed at people who reject better libraries because it increases the size by a negligible amount.

You really care about about 50 Kilo bytes? It was a joke aimed at people who reject better libraries because it increases the size by a negligible amount.

Of course it's a joke. There's even a smiley/emoticon there.

*better. It will prevent errors of the kind that happen in php all the time but get ignored because devs set lousy error reporting levels.

I don't use PHP. What errors arise because of unused variables ?