Again, your understanding is skeptical, freedom as in free not free beer! You should control your program, but in atom or sublime, the program controls you(as they are third party intruders)....

facepalm

Vim? Sublime?

Vim: No. Sublime: I'll tried it time ago and didn't look very different from Leafpad TBH. Also, I'm not paying. So no.

let me say this slowly

my point was:

??

Waiting

the point of gnu/linux is nothing to do with confining yourself to a cli

try geany, also I agree with the kate idea - Kate/Kwrite are great and underappreciated editors

Oh, okay. I'm adding those to my list.

like you seem to think

its about freedom

and this was not in the context of atom/sublime

do you get it now?

all i did was call you out on saying you had to use vim or emacs

end of story

do not read too much into it

You hate the outer world, that's it. Note that you start listening when you leave home.

And resume at home when i switch from headset to hifi

??

is that your real phone no? if yes please use some alias

Oh, so you're already listening to music when at home? I missed that part.

do not read too much into it

I'm not a pedagogue of free software, but, try to use some GUI code editor which is completely free and more importantly, you should learn something from that! I just said that I've learnt a lot from Emacs and the internal working of code editors. And I pushed the fellow mate to experience that. This is what happened and for heavens sake I don't know why you dragged me into fight.

Oh, so you're already listening to music when at home? I missed that part.

Well, usually not after waking up - only rain loops are running overnight :3

is that your real phone no? if yes please use some alias

It's not... It's a crypto...

Text editors often drag people into fights

I'm not a pedagogue of free software, but, try to use some GUI code editor which is completely free and more importantly, you should learn something from that! I just said that I've learnt a lot from Emacs and the internal working of code editors. And I pushed the fellow mate to experience that. This is what happened and for heavens sake I don't know why you dragged me into fight.

Emacs being the end of code editor wars jokes mostly i'd imagine.

It's not... It's a crypto...

You can break it if you want

It's not... It's a crypto...

lol was just making sure

I'm not a pedagogue of free software, but, try to use some GUI code editor which is completely free and more importantly, you should learn something from that! I just said that I've learnt a lot from Emacs and the internal working of code editors. And I pushed the fellow mate to experience that. This is what happened and for heavens sake I don't know why you dragged me into fight.

VSCode : MIT License ( i build mine myself ) Atom : MIT License Kate : GNU LGPL

Emacs being the end of code editor wars jokes mostly i'd imagine.

Atta atta!

You can break it if you want

i'm not knowledged enough

VSCode : MIT License ( i build mine myself ) Atom : MIT License Kate : GNU LGPL

can you consider gvim a GUI editor? ;)

I'm not a pedagogue of free software, but, try to use some GUI code editor which is completely free and more importantly, you should learn something from that! I just said that I've learnt a lot from Emacs and the internal working of code editors. And I pushed the fellow mate to experience that. This is what happened and for heavens sake I don't know why you dragged me into fight.

i didnt drag you into a fight, you worded your response in a way that looked like I said that using Atom is what Libre/Freedom is about which isnt what i said

VSCode : MIT License ( i build mine myself ) Atom : MIT License Kate : GNU LGPL

Facepalm... Now don't drag me into licenses

VSCode : MIT License ( i build mine myself ) Atom : MIT License Kate : GNU LGPL

Vim: unrestricted, gpl compatible.

can you consider gvim a GUI editor? ;)

sure

i use code with the vim extension sometimes

i'm not knowledged enough

Maybe one day you'll get into that☺

Atom is a third party code editor, so you call that a freedom.... Dafaq

it's foss, so it's fine.

Facepalm... Now don't drag me into licenses

try to use some GUI editor which is completely free -> points out a list of code editors i use that are completely free -> facepalm -> wat

it's foss, so it's fine.

Well most of the Fedora users say this... No offence...

Also: NO

Then you're not ready to program yet

Then you're not ready to program yet

this is stupid

Atom is a third party code editor, so you call that a freedom.... Dafaq

what's wrong with third party programs? isn't whole concept of freedom would be installing what i want?

this is stupid

ikr vim worshippers :/

this is stupid

That's just being silly between @kohane and me

Also: vim

if a million people are having trouble closing your application, it's a bad application.

try to use some GUI editor which is completely free -> points out a list of code editors i use that are completely free -> facepalm -> wat

Okay I'm not getting into this... You win..Peace out

if a million people are having trouble closing your application, it's a bad application.

If one million people are not able to read the docs of the app, so don't write more docs

if a million people are having trouble closing your application, it's a bad application.

eh vim is actually pretty powerful

what's wrong with third party programs? isn't whole concept of freedom would be installing what i want?

Of course not, the idea of freedom is, the end user should control the program, not the program should control the user...

if a million people are having trouble closing your application, it's a bad application.

this is wrong too :/ , its all about preferences also you can say that million users have trouble installing linux so linux is bad os. so that analogy is bad

vim is easier than it seems, the issue is that it needs a bit to get used to

the best editor for me: - desktop/gui -> atom - server/cli -> vim

vim is easier than it seems, the issue is that it needs a bit to get used to

yep this, but saying if you can't use vim then you're not ready to code is a bit extreme

the best editor for me: - desktop/gui -> atom - server/cli -> vim

eh imo VSCode > Atom -> Better performance, same extensions

Of course not, the idea of freedom is, the end user should control the program, not the program should control the user...

Knowinly or unknowingly you'll install third party thinking that it's freedom... If that was the case, most people could haven't switched to GNU/Linux... They would have continued with Mac/Windows...

also better support for dotnet core

yep this, but saying if you can't use vim then you're not ready to code is a bit extreme

yeah, that's true, using vim is personal preference of everyone and I don't use it that much either

eh vim is actually pretty powerful

Bare vim isn't worth the steep learning curve it has imo. But combine plugins and boi is it the best

also better support for dotnet core

I don't use dotnet

if a million people are having trouble closing your application, it's a bad application.

By that logic, if a million people can’t play the piano, it must be a bad instrument

I don't use dotnet

well aslo javascript and typescript and things like pug

this is wrong too :/ , its all about preferences also you can say that million users have trouble installing linux so linux is bad os. so that analogy is bad

there's a fundamental difference between closing an application and installing an operating system... one of these tasks requires a single line of code in most languages, the other one requires a shitton more lines.

eh imo VSCode > Atom -> Better performance, same extensions

and Sublime performs better than VScode, that is not the only reason, but I agree VSCode is a excellent editor too :)

Knowinly or unknowingly you'll install third party thinking that it's freedom... If that was the case, most people could haven't switched to GNU/Linux... They would have continued with Mac/Windows...

Installing FOSS 3rd party editors is not freedom? I have trouble following this

and Sublime performs better than VScode, that is not the only reason, but I agree VSCode is a excellent editor too :)

Sublime loses because its extensions pale in comparison to Code and Atom, AND its closed sourced

Code and Atom have nearly the same extensions

a lot are ports of the other

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Installing FOSS 3rd party editors is not freedom? I have trouble following this

Hope you are aware of the two different terms, 'Free Software' and 'Open Source'

Sublime loses because its extensions pale in comparison to Code and Atom, AND its closed sourced

AND it costs money (or, of course, legal gray area)

Hope you are aware of the two different terms, 'Free Software' and 'Open Source'

Geany is GPL-licensed. What's not FOSS about it?

Hope you are aware of the two different terms, 'Free Software' and 'Open Source'

Even Ubuntu is free to download and open sourced, it collects users' data

Geany is GPL-licensed. What's not FOSS about it?

this is basically why i was confused by him

we point out FOSS editors we use

he responds to us telling us to use FOSS editors

Installing FOSS 3rd party editors is not freedom? I have trouble following this

it doesn't get any more free than MIT license. #Atom also, on first start it asks you whether it's allowed to send usage data to github...

Geany is GPL-licensed. What's not FOSS about it?

I wasn't talking about Geany at all... FYI

Wait, what is even considered third-party?

it doesn't get any more free than MIT license. #Atom also, on first start it asks you whether it's allowed to send usage data to github...

or VS Code

And if something is FOSS and "thrid-party" why shouldn't you use these?

https://youtu.be/Ag1AKIl_2GM

well aslo javascript and typescript and things like pug

Atom has better extensions for those imho.

Atom has better extensions for those imho.

it doesnt

my last project was on expressjs

i did try atom

I wasn't talking about Geany at all... FYI

So about what? Atom, which is MIT licensed, or I am not seeing something?

at least for JS, code seems to have the upper hand right now

my last project was on expressjs

mine is vue and angular respectively. Works super well.

So about what? Atom, which is MIT licensed, or I am not seeing something?

Read my convos from the top...

and it supports JSDocs really well natively

Of course php/webstorm leaves both in the dust but money ;-;

Atom has better extensions for those imho.

i wasn't able to find an ide-javascript package yesterday :( (there's even an ide-html and ide-css package...)

well if its typescript you are looking for code will obviously do better

it has native support, not via extension

and css/html need no IDE as they are no code based things really. html and css have full plugins on their own

it has native support, not via extension

I still perceive atoms support for this to be ahead of vscodes.

in my experience, code has been better for js

Well, usually not after waking up - only rain loops are running overnight :3

I don't need rain loops, I can hear the natural ones. ?

Vim: unrestricted, gpl compatible.

Vim: I hate it.