WHAT?

how it works?

if I enter yes, my system will broken

There is option to exclude packages, I was trying it without any luck.

:(

That way I exclude installing Cinnamon Desktop when I installed Mate Desktop on a minimal install as @quko8 suggested.

hum...

su -c 'dnf -v groups info workstation-product-environment'

Provides the subpackages installed with Fedora Workstation.

ok

How to reinstall the gnome ?

Fedora Workstation product core with the group ID workstation-product is the one that provides dnf in it.

I think more easy

This why I suggested to only remove the groups set that provides "GNOME" = gnome-desktop

dnf remove gnome* it does not solve?

This is how I installed mate wihout installing Cinnamon: dnf -v groups --exclude=cinnamon --exclude=core install mate-desktop-environment

So I was thinking to change install with remove, cinnamon with the core, mate-desktop-environment with gnome-desktop

hum....

su -c 'dnf -v groups --exclude=core remove gnome-desktop'

dnf remove gnome* it does not solve?

Not sure.

su -c 'dnf -v groups --exclude=core remove gnome-desktop'

standard too.

I don't know.

standard too.

Right

I understand

The list of groups to not remove: Common NetworkManager Submodules Core Fedora Workstation product core Firefox Web Browser Fonts Guest Desktop Agents Hardware Support LibreOffice Multimedia Printing Support base-x

It is half risky. I don't know.

your system have installed 2 groups ( system dont knows that, but packages from @standard and @core are installed).

Exact!

Last metadata expiration check: 1:21:08 ago on Sun Aug 14 19:17:50 2016. group persistor md version: 0.6.0 Environment Group: Minimal Install Environment-Id: minimal-environment Description: Basic functionality. Mandatory Groups: Core Optional Groups: Guest Agents Standard

Don'

Sorry.

group persistor md version: 0.6.0 Environment Group: Fedora Workstation Environment-Id: workstation-product-environment Description: Fedora Workstation is a user friendly desktop system for laptops and PCs. Mandatory Groups: Common NetworkManager Submodules Core Fedora Workstation product core Firefox Web Browser Fonts GNOME Guest Desktop Agents Hardware Support LibreOffice Multimedia Printing Support base-x Optional Groups: ARM Tools

Don't remove minimal-environment

best way is manyally remove packages.

so.. dnf store info about installed groups somewhere in /usr/var in file cumps.json

/usr/tmp?

@ignatenkobrain can you help @Ftimoteo ?

If you only want to remove GNOME, this provides the package set provided by the group gnome-desktop dnf -v groups info "GNOME"

From which you can get list of all the packages to remove manually.

hum...

packages as ModemManager-1.6-0.3.rc3.fc24.x86_64 is does not have problem?

you can just wait ignatenkobrain.

packages as ModemManager-1.6-0.3.rc3.fc24.x86_64 is does not have problem?

Yes, It might cause problems.

The ModemManager service manages WWAN modems and provides a consistent API for interacting with these devices to client applications.

hum....then, do I remove only packages with gnome name?

sorry, my english is bad....

If you only want to remove GNOME, this provides the package set provided by the group gnome-desktop dnf -v groups info "GNOME"

this list.

omg. what a shitty (sorry) idea - cumps.

why 'Fedora Workstation product core' contains packages from 'standard'

you can safe remove packages from GNOME group.

why 'Fedora Workstation product core' contains packages from 'standard'

I was wondering the same.

ok

Well, because comps suck. Though dnf support for comps suck.

why 'Fedora Workstation product core' contains packages from 'standard'

I guess you can't have dependencies between groups.

so.. dnf store info about installed groups somewhere in /usr/var in file cumps.json

/var/lib/dnf

Or /var/cache/dnf

Didn't remember

Well, because comps suck. Though dnf support for comps suck.

https://fedorahosted.org/comps/

Hi everyone! I just found out that Workstation has no IRC client by default, or at least I couldn't find it. What would you suggest to install? Something fancy if it's possible.

And thank you in advance

Hi everyone! I just found out that Workstation has no IRC client by default, or at least I couldn't find it. What would you suggest to install? Something fancy if it's possible.

BitchX or Hexchat

Hexchat

Great for me

Hi everyone! I just found out that Workstation has no IRC client by default, or at least I couldn't find it. What would you suggest to install? Something fancy if it's possible.

KVirc.

Hi everyone! I just found out that Workstation has no IRC client by default, or at least I couldn't find it. What would you suggest to install? Something fancy if it's possible.

Polari

definitely

Quassel, Hexchat, or irssi.

ERROR: S client not available

Oh, wow! A lot to investigate! I'll install them and choose from them

@Tobias4X Is that German?

@Tobias4X Is that German?

je

Oh, wow! A lot to investigate! I'll install them and choose from them

Polari is only one client which is developed by GNOME

Haha, we're in the same country

though there is empathy, but ..

Empathy is IRC only or rather a general chat app that supports IRC

?

though there is empathy, but ..

Both are kind of "meh"

@ignatenkobrain There is Empathy but...?

empathy supports many protocols, IRC is one of those

@ignatenkobrain There is Empathy but...?

but it's better to not try it

Ah, okay

i dont want a autoconnecting Full Something that i have to manually add via "Accounts" and is hard to control

btw Polari uses same backend (telepathy-idle)

over a beautiful Program i can start, connect to bouncer and just use /command once it started

@Tobias4X hard to control in which sense?

The User Control of all Gnome Clients -imho- sucks

KVIRC: New Network, New Server, Name: X AltName: X_2 RealName: B NickServ: X PW Done

Don't use Empathy. We're discussing at GUADEC how to kill it and burry it deep because it hasn't been maintained for years.

LOL

Okay, I didn't install it anyway, I'm no friend of general chat apps

Don't use Empathy. We're discussing at GUADEC how to kill it and burry it deep because it hasn't been maintained for years.

how to kill it? khm, just drop it from repos

how to kill it? khm, just drop it from repos

And then see the Google Search for "Empathy install Fedora" rise

And then see the Google Search for "Empathy install Fedora" rise

? There have to be a more... definitive... long lasting solution. I think.

? There have to be a more... definitive... long lasting solution. I think.

dnf blacklist empathy

And that way is impossible to install even downloading from somewhere else?

I dont think blacklist is a valid dnf command

and rpm -i could override it anyway

BTW, any of these IRC clients can be left running in background once you close the window like Telegram does? Or I must leave the window open in order to read and receive?

tobias@localhost  ~  man dnf | grep blacklist ✘ tobias@localhost  ~ 