It is always OK.

Like... which one? Debian?

Like Mint or Slackware, all drivers and codecs included out of the box, even drivers for weird stuff

And proprietary drivers too, and legacy drivers, everything

Hmm .. now they are talking about the choice of the distribution kit?

And proprietary drivers too, and legacy drivers, everything

that's not always a best idea, especially if you want to distribute your distro somewhere where those codecs are patented, therefore distribution is essentially illegal

of course it is convenient

Hmm .. now they are talking about the choice of the distribution kit?

Far from it, by default they exclude all binary drivers.

But they have repositories for non-free and they're available in Synaptic. One doesn't have to install a third party thing.

Like Mint or Slackware, all drivers and codecs included out of the box, even drivers for weird stuff

It's been ages I don't use Slackware, but last time I tried to use Mint it killed my connection. So I keep a safe distance from it. And if possible, from Ubuntu too.

Can grub-customizer cause not bootable?

But they have repositories for non-free and they're available in Synaptic. One doesn't have to install a third party thing.

Unless your gpu wifi & ethernet hdd/raid ect will not work without propreitary drivers or blobs.

Remember, debian doesnt just exclude binary drivers but also any nonfree driver thats in the kernel AND any blob like the one nouveau needs to initialize and reclock many nvidias

You have to download a seperate image to get these to work that comes preloaded with all of this

Unless your gpu wifi & ethernet hdd/raid ect will not work without propreitary drivers or blobs.

Uh? If my options were Windows or Ubuntu, I'd choose Windows. I know is extreme but Ubuntu really get on my nerves and offers no advantages.

Can grub-customizer cause not bootable?

I just did it. Now watch what happen..

It looks sucks, but anyway it boots

Can grub-customizer cause not bootable?

Yes. And ideally avoid too much customisation beyond a grub theme and at most adding entries in 40-custom. Order changes can cause unbootability

Uh? If my options were Windows or Ubuntu, I'd choose Windows. I know is extreme but Ubuntu really get on my nerves and offers no advantages.

Not ubuntu

Debian has a seperate Debian-blobs cd

Its still debian

Not ubuntu

Uh? Would you mind to elaborate?

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/

Uh? Would you mind to elaborate?

Look at the above link

Debian excludes things like intel wifi firmware or nouveau blobs that nouveau can work without but very very very limitedly so.

You can install these blobs after initial setup but in case you need them during setup (gpu) or right after for ethernet/wifi you need the additional blobbed cd.

Debian has a seperate Debian-blobs cd

Yes, CD but the repositories are available there. You just need to enable them.

It is still a debian in the end but it will be able to initialize your wifi card.

Yes, CD but the repositories are available there. You just need to enable them.

And how are you going to do that when debian without blobs cant use your ethernet and has unstable wifi?

Or just boots into a black screen even with nomodeset because nouveau misses the init blob?

Uh? If my options were Windows or Ubuntu, I'd choose Windows. I know is extreme but Ubuntu really get on my nerves and offers no advantages.

Well i perfectly agree with you...

Sure it doesnt happen to all of us but to enough people that they host this image and rebuild it often enough

And how are you going to do that when debian without blobs cant use your ethernet and has unstable wifi?

Well, that's a point. But this is why I always use Intel for everything except video cards. It's cheap, it's easy to replace and doesn't give me headache to configure/download drivers.

Well i perfectly agree with you...

Thank you ?

Well, that's a point. But this is why I always use Intel for everything except video cards. It's cheap, it's easy to replace and doesn't give me headache to configure/download drivers.

Actually iwlwifis default driver can lead to yanky wifi with 5G

And works much better with iwlwifi-firmware packages

I never saw 5G in my life. Does it actually exist?

In real life, real cities, you know

I never saw 5G in my life. Does it actually exist?

I think he means 5GHz Wlan ^^

I think he means 5GHz Wlan ^^

?

Not LTE+

Aha... And that means...?

Oh!

Okay, makes more sense

Aha... And that means...?

5 ghz wifi. The thing that is faster than 300mbps

The new hot wireless standard xD

5 ghz wifi. The thing that is faster than 300mbps

Ah. I had one of those in Echterdingen.

Ah. I had one of those in Echterdingen.

Your router may support it right now

Shitty router but my devices worked fine.

Thank you ?

Altough i like linux, i am more of a fedora fan, because of it's principles and it's style...i might use some other system if not fedora (maybe mageia) or some other things like haiku, but if ubuntu would be my only choice i would probably use windows, at least i will have my steam library back :p

Fedora tells you if you use 5G in the network settings

I remember when I was installing debian and installation asks me for downloading some bluetooth drivers or something like that, but I was unable to download them because I was need to configure my network in more advanced ways than installer allows, to connect the internet... So that is why drivers out of the box are awesome

5 ghz wifi. The thing that is faster than 300mbps

The range is pretty ass though :c

The range is pretty ass though :c

40m +1 wall for me

Your router may support it right now

Yes, it does. The router was shitty as you probably remember, but now is working fine

40m +1 wall for me

What router do you use? :o

with both ubiquiti and linksys wrt1900acs routers

I remember when I was installing debian and installation asks me for downloading some bluetooth drivers or something like that, but I was unable to download them because I was need to configure my network in more advanced ways than installer allows, to connect the internet... So that is why drivers out of the box are awesome

And that's why fedora is better...you only need to enter the wif password :p

40m +1 wall for me

2 walls with closed doors sometimes affect the connection, but works anyway.

What router do you use? :o

Make sure to also use an intel 7260(only the dual band 5g mimo version)/8260 with it.

The cheapo 62xx and co cards are absolute ... "meh"

with both ubiquiti and linksys wrt1900acs routers

Oki, I use a Ubiquiti AP AC Lite with Openwrt and I get like 20m of effective range with 3 walls

Make sure to also use an intel 7260(only the dual band 5g mimo version)/8260 with it.

I use my 7260/my phone

And that's why fedora is better...you only need to enter the wif password :p

Not like that, I usually need to configure my network on all distros except live distros cause it has terminal

Oki, I use a Ubiquiti AP AC Lite with Openwrt and I get like 20m of effective range with 3 walls

yeah at 3 walls...

Not like that, I usually need to configure my network on all distros except live distros cause it has terminal

I need to change the TTL anytime I connect the network

ERROR: S client not available

yeah at 3 walls...

Yeah, 2.4GHz does way better with walls

I would not be surprised if they abandon Desktop

It's not where they're making money but they have a significant user base of the Linux world on their desktop. Abandoning the desktop seems silly to me, but using an upstream project for a default desktop environment makes more sense.

Which they have done.

I wouldn't say Red Hat makes most of the money with the desktop but they still have a very polished one

I wouldn't say Red Hat makes most of the money with the desktop but they still have a very polished one

But Fedora and soon Ubuntu have the same desktop.

Fedora and RHEL really

yeah

now

I think it's positive

People is very apocalyptic with mobile platforms, saying that the classical linux desktop doesn't have a future

But I can't disagree

The situation was way worse ten years ago and everything has improved

But Fedora and soon Ubuntu have the same desktop.

Well, Ubuntu has broken BIOSes, telemetry, and their GNOME was laggy and had some bugs upstream didn't, tbh... And the non removable dock, and the colors...

It's not where they're making money but they have a significant user base of the Linux world on their desktop. Abandoning the desktop seems silly to me, but using an upstream project for a default desktop environment makes more sense.

They don't make money with Ubuntu but they earned their name with it. As you say, Justin, it would be silly to abandon it.

People is very apocalyptic with mobile platforms, saying that the classical linux desktop doesn't have a future

I always think this is completely misleading and based on the wrong premises. That so many people move to mobile doesn't mean that desktop is doomed. It means that now we have more options to take on our tasks. For work, a computer is the way. For messaging or communication, will be mobile. For gaming there are consoles. Etc. Most of people didn't change their laptops for their phones, they keep both.

Canonical rejecting ubuntu desktop is like Apple rejecting iPhones

Impossible

Yes, agree.

Well, Ubuntu has broken BIOSes, telemetry, and their GNOME was laggy and had some bugs upstream didn't, tbh... And the non removable dock, and the colors...

KDE in Ubuntu is even worse. Just saying.

KDE in Ubuntu is even worse. Just saying.

I know fam... I'd recommend KDE Neon in a heartbeat!

fam...?

Nvm

Cool, tell me how you liked it after viewing it. I'm not giving away any spoilers ?

In some moments, I did not understand what other actors do in the scenes, but the film turned out to be very suitable. Although he did not convey the whole mood on the topic. But I liked it. ?

Canonical rejecting ubuntu desktop is like Apple rejecting iPhones

Well, Apple makes a lot of money with the phone, not so Canonical with the Ubuntu desktop

I always think this is completely misleading and based on the wrong premises. That so many people move to mobile doesn't mean that desktop is doomed. It means that now we have more options to take on our tasks. For work, a computer is the way. For messaging or communication, will be mobile. For gaming there are consoles. Etc. Most of people didn't change their laptops for their phones, they keep both.

Most people choose a tablet instead of a laptop

Most people choose a tablet instead of a laptop

No

This is factually incorrect

No matter where you look tablet sales are declining

Most people choose a tablet instead of a laptop

Maybe it depends on where? Sales are often geography and culture dependant. I've seen very few tablets but tons of mobiles (Android & iPhone) and laptops. I don't see many tablets around here.

No matter where you look tablet sales are declining

In favor to laptops?

No matter where you look tablet sales are declining

Well, if this is true I'm not surprised. Tablets are annoying to use.

In favor to laptops?

Idk what it's in favor of, I think it's chromebooks and 2 in 1s and big phones