Welcome ??

Welcome ??

tnx

@Edarfoc that made me lol

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Good news. Build succeeded! Can anyone test it on their system please? It took 17 hours lol?

It took 9 hours on my machine. Old dual core i5-3210M.

@HellBanger gratss

update first, if it doesnt work report a regression and use an older f27 kernel for the meantime.

It doesn't...

It doesn't...

Can you boot an older kernel and have it working there?

If yes report regresseion on the rhel bugtracker naming your hardware and when it stopped working

Can you boot an older kernel and have it working there?

There is only two kernels on my distro now, new and that one which cones with installation. I was doing a fresh install yesterday

That is very strange thing nowadays, it's 50/50 problem - half of distros are absolutely OK with gpu and everything works, and the other half is not...

Maybe it's a question of proprietary software... IDK

How do I replace a key?

ex. Alt_R works same as F1, etc

That is very strange thing nowadays, it's 50/50 problem - half of distros are absolutely OK with gpu and everything works, and the other half is not...

I really never have problems with proprietary drivers tbh. They tend to work better than the non-proprietary ones.

Hm?

I really never have problems with proprietary drivers tbh. They tend to work better than the non-proprietary ones.

I mean, why there is no drivers i need inside fedora?

I mean, why there is no drivers i need inside fedora?

Hmm, well I think Fedora remains very open/free, so these aren't included. It makes Fedora kinda hard to recommend to some people, but once it's up and running, it's worth it.

RPMFusion could possibly have the ones you need.

God, I love when distros are contain all drivers in history...

I mean, why there is no drivers i need inside fedora?

You got this wrong.

There are no drivers for intel hds to install because intel releases them as open source upstream into the kernel

RPMFusion could possibly have the ones you need.

I need to find out what exactly I need, maybe it's all about one little checkbox in kernel configuration

I mean, why there is no drivers i need inside fedora?

What?

Outside of broadcom, I can't imagine anything not having a driver

With amd its now the same, amdgpu and soon ROCm, together with intels opencl implementation mean you will need zero drivers for any intel hd or amd gpu > 2xx

Wait, are you using Intel?

Wait, are you using Intel?

He is.

Thats what made your propreitary comment even funnier :P

Yup. And that is so strange

Thats what made your propreitary comment even funnier :P

I agree ??‍♂️

I just feel myself lost and finding foolish reasons

Aside the open source drivers often being more stable and their only problem being nvidia in nouveaus case because nvidia is a meh company - they cant reclock the gpus.

I just feel myself lost and finding foolish reasons

Well, what do dmesg journalctl ect ect say

are you using walyand or corg

what do their logs say

has gdm spouted any messages

collect, fpaste, especially any red lines, send here for us to review.

Let me guess, I need to do it without nomodeset?

Once - if it fails to get to graphical gui anything you can simply reboot with nomodeset after and use dmesg -b -1

and journalctl -b -1

Alrighty then!

We are on linux, most distros that arent ubuntu explicitely do not collect these statistics.

Kek, yeah.

Why ubuntu is going more and more windows-ish nowadays?

Coz canonical is broke. Nuff said.

Why ubuntu is going more and more windows-ish nowadays?

Canonical. Thats all.

Hmm, well I think Fedora remains very open/free, so these aren't included. It makes Fedora kinda hard to recommend to some people, but once it's up and running, it's worth it.

Korora...

Korora...

Ah, well it's not typically an issue for me, especially nowadays, but I still don't feel fully confident in recommending it to others unless I know for sure that it's supported without these being necessary. Of course, I didn't realize he was mentioning Intel stuffs, for which any driver installations are really not necessary.

Also, I definitely prefer Fedora over Korora. Korora was kinda bloatware to me, I like having things a bit more clean-slate.

Also, I definitely prefer Fedora over Korora. Korora was kinda bloatware to me, I like having things a bit more clean-slate.

I meant for newbs, actually.

I meant for newbs, actually.

Oh ? I thought you were making a recommendation :P

Though, not gonna lie, I have some embarassing newb moments from time to time

Maybe I should be using SOAS ?

I can actually see myself recommending korora for beginners who want Fedora, but don't have the time to set it up.

I can actually see myself recommending korora for beginners who want Fedora, but don't have the time to set it up.

Otherwise, I just recommend Solus, gecko, LMDE or SolydXK...

I can actually see myself recommending korora for beginners who want Fedora, but don't have the time to set it up.

I agree, this could actually be a great opportunity :D

Though, not gonna lie, I have some embarassing newb moments from time to time

Eh, happens to everyone.

Maybe I should be using SOAS ?

I kinda like the UX, I may install it as an alternate DE, tbh.

I didn't think I would tbh, but it's actually appealing for some reason. Maybe I'm just one of the weird ones :3

I didn't think I would tbh, but it's actually appealing for some reason. Maybe I'm just one of the weird ones :3

That's how I'd describe Linux, tbh.

That's how I'd describe Linux, tbh.

Well, used to.

Coz canonical is broke. Nuff said.

You know that Mark Shuttleworth, CEO of canonical, was the second ordinary men that travels into space? I mean, what if aliens killed true Mark and replace him with their evil genius?

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You know that Mark Shuttleworth, CEO of canonical, was the second ordinary men that travels into space? I mean, what if aliens killed true Mark and replace him with their evil genius?

Seems like a compelling argument, tbh...

You know that Mark Shuttleworth, CEO of canonical, was the second ordinary men that travels into space? I mean, what if aliens killed true Mark and replace him with their evil genius?

I don't think this is true. If it was, Canonical would be making better decisions

Why ubuntu is going more and more windows-ish nowadays?

What? What about Linux Mint? ? (Cinnamon DE, to be more specific)

What? What about Linux Mint? ? (Cinnamon DE, to be more specific)

He means the recent telemetry. And the old spyware, suing fix Ubuntu, etc etc. Not UX.

He means the recent telemetry. And the old spyware, suing fix Ubuntu, etc etc. Not UX.

Canonical is a company, they need to make money unfortunately. That's their only other way of making money by not making the user do anything

I would not be surprised if they abandon Desktop

What? What about Linux Mint? ? (Cinnamon DE, to be more specific)

I mean, in way of controlling users and all that stuff

Canonical is a company, they need to make money unfortunately. That's their only other way of making money by not making the user do anything

It be acceptable if they contributed sth of substance back to Linux.

It be acceptable if they contributed sth of substance back to Linux.

I can agree.

I would not be surprised if they abandon Desktop

I'd think they'd sooner sell it off to m$.

I would still use a derevative of Ubuntu / Ubuntu for desktop use still though over Debian.

I don't think this is true. If it was, Canonical would be making better decisions

There are two options: this alien is so genius we cannot undetstand his plans or they send us the dumbest one, to get rid of him

There are two options: this alien is so genius we cannot undetstand his plans or they send us the dumbest one, to get rid of him

I'd say the latter.

I'd say the latter.

You know Mark used to work for Debian, right?

I would still use a derevative of Ubuntu / Ubuntu for desktop use still though over Debian.

Aren't you using Gentoo?

Aren't you using Gentoo?

Yeah. What difference would it make if I was not?

You know Mark used to work for Debian, right?

He doesn't know to code, iirc.

And he was the person who paid a couple debian devs to werk for Ubuntu. Not the other way around

Yeah. What difference would it make if I was not?

Gentoo is not the easiest to set up.

Gentoo is not the easiest to set up.

And?

And?

Neither is debian.

Neither is debian.

I'm lost, hahaha.

i thought you were going to make a point.

I'm lost, hahaha.

In terms of setting up, Ubuntu and Gentoo are poles apart.

Neither is debian.

Gentoo is orders of magnitude harder to setup than Debian haha

In terms of setting up, Ubuntu and Gentoo are poles apart.

If I were given the option to use Ubuntu and its official derivatives or Debian for desktop, I would use Ubuntu and its official derevatives

And personally, I'd use Fedora over Ubuntu or Debian for desktop use :p

And personally, I'd use Fedora over Ubuntu or Debian for desktop use :p

This.

And personally, I'd use Fedora over Ubuntu or Debian for desktop use :p

Latest F27 kernel is broken for my system atm ;(

If I were given the option to use Ubuntu and its official derivatives or Debian for desktop, I would use Ubuntu and its official derevatives

If I wanted something newb related, I'd rather use Solus. Or recommend it, which is more likely

If I wanted something newb related, I'd rather use Solus. Or recommend it, which is more likely

I just don't like eopkg