I have been using the plasma shell and I am living it. So to me, the choice of a DE is very subjective . . I love KDE over gnome, but I didn't like the default applications that come with either DE . . so I usually remove all the unnecessary packages and use only the default. If we say kmail sucks, evolution equally sucks. . .

also without the gnome Web browser, which makes no sense to me: neither as utility nor as far as security (webkit-gtk as a rule doesn't get special security patches, only regular patches)

that's why we have thunderbird ;)

I do not think GNOME is bad. I guess your *problems* is just conflicts with GNOME viewings of things. For example, I do not need right after installation JUST CHANGE THAT THEME, FAST! I NEED TO CHANGE THE THEME! I NEED EXTENSIONS! NOW! I SAID NOW! I WANT DOCK! I WANT MY FONTS! I WANT TO CONFIGURE *EVERYTHING* NOW! JUST LET ME DO IT! SHIP GNOME-TWEAK-TOOL IN STANDARD INSTALLATION! I WANT TO CHANGE ALL KEYBOARD SETTINS, BECAUSE I WANT TO WORK IT MY WAY! THE STANDARD ICON THEME IS UGLY! CHANGE IT NOW! NOW APPS, I NEED CONFIGURE ALL OF THEM! I CAN NOT WORK UNTIL I CONFIGURE *EVERYTHING*!... And that sort of things...

Never?

I was "GNOMEified" when I was forced to use GNOME. It was when there was 3.16 just released. I preferred to use OpenSUSE, because KDE on it was the best. I used KDE4. But then KDE devs dropped last KDE4 release, and said - we will focus on KF5. KDE4 was almost awesome. I almost get rid of GTK applications. Used kmail, korganiser... But there was bugs in those, which will never get fixed now. They was small, they can be workarounded, but annoying. And KDE5 was nothere state. And so I decided to switch to something still supported. And that was GNOME. Because cinnamon was still in non-ready state, and I never was a fan of *light* Environments like XFCE. I just wanted to wait for KDE5. But time has passed by. KDE5 still was in the middle of nothere, like it is now. And I understood some things. Then I was on KDE4, I used to hide titlebars, use globalmenu, use that fancy kwin-expo(like that button in Unity dock, which is displaying workplaces), move panels to the side of the window(because on netbook you got less vertical space). And GNOME does all this for me. Activities is like Expo. GNOME apps use CSD, to use titlebars as panels, saving vertical space. There is no menubars in GNOME too. They put panel on the top... So I just get used to it. While KDE5 is still in the middle of nothere. And now I don't give a shit about KDE5, because GNOME is better. ?

Folks! I have a question. I'm trying to put an image as page background in LibreOffice but I can't. Is there any other programme that works for these kind of things, like editing, formatting and creating a book...? Thanks in advance!

You are talking about libre writer ??

@voidspacexyz I LOVE YOU!!! You solved my problem!! Thank you!!!!

@nexfwall who says you need gnome? KDE comes with more batteries included :)

and without the terrible Gnome-default video player

Gnome 3 isn't bad ... It is a work in progress. It will be beautiful when they finish ... So F24 would be 9 releases and about 5 years.

Why don't you like light environments?

And Russian celebrate it? That's so nice! ?

Because I like integration. And then DE offers it's own methods to store things(Contacts, Calendar, Mail, Passwords, Keychains...), configure things, has common interface guidelines, default API... Not then apps and things is in chaos, offer their own incompatible with each other ways to store things, which can be made interoperable only using bash-crutches. When to configure simple stuff, like keybindings, you will need terminal, text editor and about 5-10 of man pages. When one app which you use written using one toolkit, and another one using different one, and third one use bare Xlib. When one app is meant for using in GNOME(has CSD, uses gtk3), but another one does not have that, and meant to be used old-fashioned way, with menubars, panels... You know. Or even written on deprecated gtk2. I don't like chaos. I can not just forget about it, and, for example, use GNOME App in KDE, when there is KF5-alternative, even when it is in shitty state. I see it, then app in KDE5 is not ported from KDELibs4. I like Kate so much, because it is better then gedit in many ways, but installing it will bring more chaos to my system, because it requires KF5. And yes. I'm suffering from toolkit phobia.

Honestly, I don't give a damn if it's GTK, QT or Plutonian.  I always choose the best programme for the given task.  if it's the same desktop or not, I don't care as long as it fits with my needs.  Anyway, Mate and Cinnamon are light and have a nice integration with their tools.  Just in case you're interested to know.

Honestly, I don't give a damn if it's GTK, QT or Plutonian.  I always choose the best programme for the given task.  if it's the same desktop or not, I don't care as long as it fits with my needs.  Anyway, Mate and Cinnamon are light and have a nice integration with their tools.  Just in case you're interested to know.

I think Linux Mint developers should finally make a decision, what they want, to make gnome-shell to be like good old GNOME 2, or make GNOME 2 to be like the new GNOME 3 but without that gnome-shellness. Or shortly, Cinnamon or MATE. And concentrate the forces on one DE, to speed up development. While GNOME is already almost good at Wayland, Cinnamon is still does not even experimentaly support it.

Here is @voidspacexyz  solution written as a post in my Wordpress  ==>  https://crossingtheair.wordpress.com/2016/04/12/full-page-background/

@elioqoshi can you help on designing badge for i18n test day?

@voidspacexyz   Sure, just send me the link.  I don't know which one is your website.

voidspace.xyz

It has a certificate error

I run it on gitlab. So it uses its default certificate . it should possibly be updated with letsencrypt this weekend. So do bypass the certificate

should i go with 23 or 24

I live happy without Wayland.

Having diversity is always good, if any it boosts innovation.

I live happy without Wayland.

I live happy with wayland

Do not break her happy imaginary world, there she lives happy with everything...

I begin to hate Firefox so much...