And even then, you can get crossover, which has explicit commercial support and a guarantee to run Office.

They are they guys giving most of their code to wine

Did you install the guest drivers?

yes.the system itself drove me crazy

ill try

except the "making office work" part

hahaha

https://www.codeweavers.com/products

It is a 38 bucks fee tough - for one version, or 59 bucks a year or 450 for a onetime license.

price aint bad

lets try

i tried windows for 6hours drove me insane already

Then don't use the software

just buy a mac

call it a day

macbook are cheap these day

I still wonder why LibreOffice/WPS Office/Gdocs import/office online dont suffice for you

just buy a mac

macOS stopped being good after Snow Leopard imo

macOS stopped being good after Snow Leopard imo

Snrk, whenever i used macos i puked. Even basics like sort folders first only came half a year ago.

macOS stopped being good after Snow Leopard imo

because macs are cheaper now

And mac people defended it being better. Now its the cool hot thing since mac can do it too.

It used to be great, then they started taking away functionality and adding useless 'safety' features for idiots who don't know how to use computers

It used to be great, then they started taking away functionality and adding useless 'safety' features for idiots who don't know how to use computers

Thats 90% of their userbase imho so it makes sense.

And the rest linux will welcome with open arms.

It used to be great, then they started taking away functionality and adding useless 'safety' features for idiots who don't know how to use computers

disable everything. dont use that appleid shit

Thats 90% of their userbase imho so it makes sense.

True. I once had to teach a mac user how to make a folder .-.

Until two years ago i would've recommended them to most tech-unteached people because you have to actively work rather hard to break it.

True. I once had to teach a mac user how to make a folder .-.

its very easy just five letters

But now we have chromeos

And i recommend chromebooks instead.

disable everything. dont use that appleid shit

I'm talking about shit like having to dig through a settings menu and put in your password multiple times to be able to install anything outside of the app store

And having to redo that process every single time

I have installed a shitton of software on mac outside of the appstore, starting with atom.

Did the packager not sign their package?

And them absolutely nerfing any of the useful stuff like disc utility

I have installed a shitton of software on mac outside of the appstore, starting with atom.

Wait, you have a Mac? You, Tobias? :P

Wait, you have a Mac? You, Tobias? :P

We are an IT company, we have a single machine thats forced to compile for iphones.

i use zsh to do almost everythingin mac

Did the packager not sign their package?

They have a list of 'trusted developers' and if they don't happen to be on that list you have to jump through hoops to install stuff

I mean we hate to have to do this but the alternatives are bleak or involve running mac virtually, which it handles meh.

They have a list of 'trusted developers' and if they don't happen to be on that list you have to jump through hoops to install stuff

"As designed"

We are an IT company, we have a single machine thats forced to compile for iphones.

Werk. Oh Okk, I thought you had a personal Mac decide.

I mean we hate to have to do this but the alternatives are bleak or involve running mac virtually, which it handles meh.

Yeah, virtualizing macos is a headache and a half

never used mac app store have no idea how that works

I mean for professional users its a pain all troughout - but for the large userbase its a blessing for admins.

Werk. Oh Okk, I thought you had a personal Mac decide.

Lol, never. nothing that isn't as open source as humanly possible will do my private computing.

lets try crossover first

Lol, never. nothing that isn't as open source as humanly possible will do my private computing.

I like the way you think

i hate the idea of cloud computing

Lol, never. nothing that isn't as open source as humanly possible will do my private computing.

See, this is why I was confused when you said I and Mac in the same sentence :P

From my x230 with neutered me, running grub coreboot and fedora with only free sources and drivers to my phone running lineage.

I really need to get a librem

Or a Skylake system76 and disable me

From my x230 with neutered me, running grub coreboot and fedora with only free sources and drivers to my phone running lineage.

???

I really need to get a librem

I'm staying with my x230

I really need to get a librem

stuck with my xps13

I dont want to leave coreboot anytime soon, its just so perfect.

stuck with my xps13

Those are still nice computers

I dont want to leave coreboot anytime soon, its just so perfect.

What advantages does it offer vs bios? I'm new to this, bear with me.

There aren't any good laptop available for sale

macOS stopped being good after Snow Leopard imo

I keep hearing that

And im sure you could use me_cleaner or disable it entirely if it's skylake

Lenovo always making crap stuff and Asus is going down.

I really need to get a librem

But why?

I keep hearing that

Probably because I say it every time macos comes up haha

But why?

Because it's a librem

But why?

They're sexy af and come stock with no ME

I like the idea of librem

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So you can use an OS that still has binary blobs and a non-free BIOS?

What advantages does it offer vs bios? I'm new to this, bear with me.

Two main ones: You boot into grub, the linux bootloader, without fuzz and instantly (or seabios/systemd-boot, lilo, tianocore... whatever is up your alley) The time to get there is < 1 second.

I like the idea of librem

So do I, too bad ideas don't mean shit when execution is poor

Probably because I say it every time macos comes up haha

Not just you

If my x230 didnt have such a shit m.2 ssd it'd boot in 4-5 seconds flat to fedora, from pressing the power button.

So do I, too bad ideas don't mean shit when execution is poor

How do you mean?

So you can use an OS that still has binary blobs and a non-free BIOS?

I didn't think it has nonfree bios?

Or binary blobs

Their stock distro is FSF certified

Their stock distro is FSF certified

distro, but their hardware isnt i think.

Two main ones: You boot into grub, the linux bootloader, without fuzz and instantly (or seabios/systemd-boot, lilo, tianocore... whatever is up your alley) The time to get there is < 1 second.

Oh kewl Go do you find out if a device supports coreboot? And can you dual boot distros with it?

Two main ones: You boot into grub, the linux bootloader, without fuzz and instantly (or seabios/systemd-boot, lilo, tianocore... whatever is up your alley) The time to get there is < 1 second.

Also, you said 2.

distro, but their hardware isnt i think.

But if it can run a fully free os, their hardware would need free firmware/drivers

Oh kewl Go do you find out if a device supports coreboot? And can you dual boot distros with it?

https://www.coreboot.org/Supported_Motherboards

https://www.coreboot.org/Supported_Motherboards

Oh okkk

You can not only dualboot distros, you can also boot isos. usb sticks. remote hdds/network pxe boot. Heck you can encrypt your /boot and only accept keys signed with your pgp key.

Also, you said 2.

Booting straight into grub and speed. thats two.

You can not only dualboot distros, you can also boot isos. usb sticks. remote hdds/network pxe boot. Heck you can encrypt your /boot and only accept keys signed with your pgp key.

I haven't done those things, but could learn to use, and love them...

Booting straight into grub and speed. thats two.

Oh okkk

Oh okkk

One "k" is ok :P

Tianocore EFISTUB ?

One "k" is ok :P

?

I have a thing for pack animals :P

Well, concentrate that energy toward saving the wolves in your country then please :3

Well, concentrate that energy toward saving the wolves in your country then please :3

Dude, I'm from India. I don't think we have wolves where I'm from :P

Dude, I'm from India. I don't think we have wolves where I'm from :P

Time to change that

Have you been to India? It's so hot humans can't live here ??... Why'd you want to subject wolves to that?

Some climate change, some Nordmanntannenwälder and you're set

But a good wolf, or a husky would be very nice, tbh...

Some climate change, some Nordmanntannenwälder and you're set

Nordmanntannenwalder?

Nordmanntanne is a special type of fir

Have you been to India? It's so hot humans can't live here ??... Why'd you want to subject wolves to that?

When I was there it was kinda hot. But food are so good that I'm just keep eating and forgot about the temperature.