Sorry, free and open

I meant

Looks like the code is GPL + 3 party code under their own licnse

I prefer to keep minimal proprietary application. Breaks upgrades

how is that prop application ?

So virtualbox is free and closed is it ?

One problem with VirtualBox is that the BIOS is FOSS, but needs a proprietary compiler

Looks like the code is GPL + 3 party code under their own licnse

The kernel module does not often follow upstream. Breaks rawhide

Why vbox ?? Use docker or virt manager,qemu,libvirtd+ vagrant well you don't have to install whole virtualbox thing ??

Sorry, free and open

what do you mean free and open?

it is pretty much the same..

AFAIK

free is not always open

it is pretty much the same..

Not always.

it is pretty much the same..

Dude, we have had a lot of discussions on this. Really ? again ?

what do you mean free and open?

Open is always free but free is not always open..

Open is always free but free is not always open..

but sometime open can be closed and become not free

but sometime open can be closed and become not free

No, I can't be

it*

free is not always open

it is

Open is always free but free is not always open..

free is always open. here free refers to the usage as in free software

Dude, we have had a lot of discussions on this. Really ? again ?

I love it

No, I can't be

alright, maybe just become commercialized

I think we're confusing ourselves between 'Free as in free beer' and 'Free as in Freedom'

alright, maybe just become commercialized

same goes for free

Open is always free but free is not always open..

you are wrong ! Free is always open, but open is not always free.

I think we're confusing ourselves between 'Free as in free beer' and 'Free as in Freedom'

I am not

I think we're confusing ourselves between 'Free as in free beer' and 'Free as in Freedom'

no we are not.

you are wrong ! Free is always open, but open is not always free.

nope.. open is free

Okie, Fk it

Okie, Fk it

c'mon.. i was hoping for some heated arguments..

Free is always open.

Free is always open.

si..

you are wrong ! Free is always open, but open is not always free.

I'm using free softwares but they are not open..

c'mon.. i was hoping for some heated arguments..

you mean, we are going talk the same thing we have talked again ??

I'm using free softwares but they are not open..

example ?

I'm using free softwares but they are not open..

Then you are confused between Free as in freedom and free as in free beer

Open is not always Free.

you mean, we are going talk the same thing we have talked again ??

wait and watch.. grab a popcorn if you like

Open is not always Free.

any example of such cases?

I'm using free softwares but they are not open..

what are those?

Manjaro is better than antergos imo, but for sure arch still the best (for me at least)...

Manjaro has been criticized because sometimes they update security patch more after arch .

what are those?

WPS Office

Then you are confused between Free as in freedom and free as in free beer

Could you explain it to me?

WPS Office

It is not free software..

It is not free software..

Then maybe I'm confusing myself.

Then maybe I'm confusing myself.

you are, indeed.

Maybe someone can explain it to me.

Maybe someone can explain it to me.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=define+free+software

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=define+free+software

?

you mean, we are going talk the same thing we have talked again ??

it went south. :(

This is a good read. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html

Maybe someone can explain it to me.

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html

how is that prop application ?

It is not, except the extension .

This is a good read. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html

I agree 100 % with this line in that page: Every time you say “free software” rather than “open source,” you help our cause. probably *our = Free Software Foundation or maybe RMS. —- I couldn't make much sense of the rest..

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html

?

This is a good read. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html

rest of the doc says free software = open source software

Look in simple terms, when we only look at the code, free software or open source dosent make a difference. But when we say free software, we are also talking about the socio-political value the software presents to the world. Example, debian

"probably *our = Free Software Foundation or maybe RMS. " Oh Yes, when we talk in the fedora group,, and we this, it does refer to fedora and not the world. So yes, it is not probably, it does refer to FSF

I agree 100 % with this line in that page: Every time you say “free software” rather than “open source,” you help our cause. probably *our = Free Software Foundation or maybe RMS. —- I couldn't make much sense of the rest..

"Every time you say “free software” rather than “open source,” you help our cause." Exactly We have had this habit of looking at the code and using it for free of cost. Yes, by saying free software, we are staying explict that it is not just the cost, it is also the freedom that we talk about. Yes, I am helping the cause of FSF, what is wrong there ?

Look in simple terms, when we only look at the code, free software or open source dosent make a difference. But when we say free software, we are also talking about the socio-political value the software presents to the world. Example, debian

Another example is Mozilla and its Open Web movement

It is not, except the extension .

Oh ya, but do they get shipped or installed when we install virtual box, if yes, that is a tool I should stay away from

Guys I have a weird network problem. Suppouse I am connected to WiFi, then I tether via USB my cellphone (it is not connected to Internet). When I do that, I lose my Internet connection on my PC, but if I activate the Internet on my telephone, I can connect again. What should I do?

ah, my WiFi connection always remains

any example of such cases?

Clang, it uses a permissive non-copyleft free software license https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clang

Clang, it uses a permissive non-copyleft free software license https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clang

It is open source and free software.

Clang, it uses a permissive non-copyleft free software license https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clang

both

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read that wikipedia article.. it must be mentioned there.. if not, we shall add it.

But non-copyleft which avoid reciprocity

But non-copyleft which avoid reciprocity

copyleft doesn't define free or open source software. free or open source software can be copy-left or permissive

I was planning on pure arch + aur + gtk + i3

i3 is love but I fell in love with LXDE later and now I'm planning to move to something new ?

✌️?

For me that is the difference, between Free (As in freedom) Software and Open Source Software. The Open Source Initiative defines a permissive software license as a "non-copyleft license" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_General_Public_License The GNU General Public License (GNU GPL or GPL) is a widely used[6] free software license, which guarantees end users (individuals, organizations, companies) the freedoms to run, study, share (copy), and modify the software. Software that allows these rights is called free software and, if the software is copylefted, requires those rights to be retained. The GPL demands both.

For me that is the difference, between Free (As in freedom) Software and Open Source Software. The Open Source Initiative defines a permissive software license as a "non-copyleft license" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_General_Public_License The GNU General Public License (GNU GPL or GPL) is a widely used[6] free software license, which guarantees end users (individuals, organizations, companies) the freedoms to run, study, share (copy), and modify the software. Software that allows these rights is called free software and, if the software is copylefted, requires those rights to be retained. The GPL demands both.

that is just name.. if one has to cite that as a difference, there is even a larger difference.. Open source cartels call these softwares as Open source softwares. Free software cartels call these as Free softwares..

that is just name.. if one has to cite that as a difference, there is even a larger difference.. Open source cartels call these softwares as Open source softwares. Free software cartels call these as Free softwares..

** sorry.. softwares —> software

Face palm.

YMMV..

Just saying... If you use "gnome-extension network-monitor add-on" It's cause network drop like a so many freaking time It's really become unsable until I deleted... is it happen on other people too or just me have unlucky driver make cause conflict on network ?

For monitoring network speed I use nethogs via command line. Mate has it own netspeed applet. There is one on the gnome-shell extension site, from update to update (gnome3.xx to gnome3.yy) the site sometimes tells you are no using gnome or an outdated gnome version which is annoying when you are already using gnome.

Just saying... If you use "gnome-extension network-monitor add-on" It's cause network drop like a so many freaking time It's really become unsable until I deleted... is it happen on other people too or just me have unlucky driver make cause conflict on network ?

The system status has a network monitoring built it, why do you need an extension for it ?

Just looking....

On desktop

Deleted

That's was a extension so

Not exactly same

Hi guys, mi f24 only recognize 3'5gb of 4gb for RAM, how fix that?

My system shows I have 9.7gb when in fact I have 8gb + 4gb sticks..

How is that possible? And yes ram is compatible and detected correctly. I checked in dmidecode

Good morning everyone. My friend have CQ42 laptop with Intel Pentium p6300@2.27GHz processor. And 3GByte RAM. He is running Windows 7, and want to replace with fedora 22. Is it okay? For that spec. Thanks

Good morning everyone. My friend have CQ42 laptop with Intel Pentium p6300@2.27GHz processor. And 3GByte RAM. He is running Windows 7, and want to replace with fedora 22. Is it okay? For that spec. Thanks

Why not choose fedora 24?

Good morning everyone. My friend have CQ42 laptop with Intel Pentium p6300@2.27GHz processor. And 3GByte RAM. He is running Windows 7, and want to replace with fedora 22. Is it okay? For that spec. Thanks

It almost depends of the UI

Why not choose fedora 24?

I'm not sure, maybe because he only has f22 iso.

Good morning everyone. My friend have CQ42 laptop with Intel Pentium p6300@2.27GHz processor. And 3GByte RAM. He is running Windows 7, and want to replace with fedora 22. Is it okay? For that spec. Thanks

I had KDE (consumes more than average UIs) and have had no problems

I'm not sure, maybe because he only has f22 iso.

I suggest to use F24 instead

F22 could not be maintained soon

I had KDE (consumes more than average UIs) and have had no problems

F22's default DE is gnome, right?

F22's default DE is gnome, right?

Yep

I suggest to use F24 instead

Thanks, I will forward this to my friend, now.

Although there are some spins