VAT is always included.

The thing is HOT af

It's EXPENSIVE af

It's EXPENSIVE af

This.

And can you discount them?

It's ~.09 IIRC. And I get a student discount, so it will be $600 off. Well, $612 but more or less.

It's EXPENSIVE af

Who gives a damn if you have the money lol

It's EXPENSIVE af

Yeah :/

It's ~.09 IIRC. And I get a student discount, so it will be $600 off. Well, $612 but more or less.

Nice!!!

Who gives a damn if you have the money lol

(Un)fortunately, not all of us do...

Who gives a damn if you have the money lol

If I have that money, I'd buy an Apple laptop. The best I can find.

I've never actually jumped on one of the shiny new ridiculous thingies close to launch, so it's a bit of an experience for me. At the same time, I've been a fan of the XPS machines for a long while.

If I have that money, I'd buy an Apple laptop. The best I can find.

Why not ThinkPad?

If I have that money, I'd buy an Apple laptop. The best I can find.

Oh well, choices

If I have that money, I'd buy an Apple laptop. The best I can find.

And then, you'd need money left over to get the necessary cables :P

I've never actually jumped on one of the shiny new ridiculous thingies close to launch, so it's a bit of an experience for me. At the same time, I've been a fan of the XPS machines for a long while.

What about an X1 carbon

Most coolest Thinkpads costs more than apple craptops

Why not ThinkPad?

Because I find Apple better for music & design/arts. But my point was about the price.

Also, how does Fedora work with the MacBook touchbars? Has anyone tried them?

What about an X1 carbon

I really do love the X1 Carbon, but I was actually really hoping for a 15" X1 before I thought further about buying one

Because I find Apple better for music & design/arts. But my point was about the price.

Make a hackintosh on Thinkpad?

And then, you'd need money left over to get the necessary cables :P

No, the cables come included AFAIK. And I have some from my iPhone. It would be a nice combo indeed. But I'm as far to buy an Apple as I am to buy a Jaguar car.

Also, how does Fedora work with the MacBook touchbars? Has anyone tried them?

For me they just defaulted to the standard layout. Esc worked, volume worked, but brightness didn't.

Make a hackintosh on Thinkpad?

If I buy a Thinkpad is because: 1) It's cheap 2) It's sturdy

For me they just defaulted to the standard layout. Esc worked, volume worked, but brightness didn't.

It was a live USB in a Best Buy, so things may be better haha

Also, how does Fedora work with the MacBook touchbars? Has anyone tried them?

In Testing the only issue we saw is with some MacBooks having problems to install or boot Fedora, but it was sorted with 26/27 They're should be working fine.

If I buy a Thinkpad is because: 1) It's cheap 2) It's sturdy

Thinkpad's are cheap?

Thinkpad's are cheap?

Somewhat old ones are

X230 for example

Thinkpad's are cheap?

One can get a Thinkpad for some 200€

I mean, true IBM-way ThinkPads, not ThinkPad Yogas from Lenovo

I saw some very nice models in UK for 150£

I mean, true IBM-way ThinkPads, not ThinkPad Yogas from Lenovo

Not yoga

Yogas are expensive for what they offer imo

I mean, true IBM-way ThinkPads, not ThinkPad Yogas from Lenovo

Thinkpad is Lenovo. There are no IBM now. But I wasn't talking about Yoga, that's a different model and very shitty one.

Not yoga

Not Lenovo Yoga, Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga

Yogas are expensive for what they offer imo

True. And installing anything is annoying like hell.

I tried! LOL

Thinkpad is Lenovo. There are no IBM now. But I wasn't talking about Yoga, that's a different model and very shitty one.

^^^

Thinkpad is Lenovo. There are no IBM now. But I wasn't talking about Yoga, that's a different model and very shitty one.

I mean, not IBM but "like-IBM" busness models which is very similar in design

That's what everyone means

I mean, not IBM but "like-IBM" busness models which is very similar in design

Eh. I never seen any business guy using Thinkpads. All the Thinkpad users I met, and they're quite a bunch, were geeks/devs/hackers like me.

True. And installing anything is annoying like hell.

Wait, is it? I never heard a complaint about them until now

Eh. I never seen any business guy using Thinkpads. All the Thinkpad users I met, and they're quite a bunch, were geeks/devs/hackers like me.

When I am in business districts in London I notice almost everyone using them or ZBooks

then fashion heavy areas macbooks

Wait, is it? I never heard a complaint about them until now

On Yoga? First is hard to get to the BIOS. So changing the order of devices to boot from USB or whatever can prove a complicated task.

On Yoga? First is hard to get to the BIOS. So changing the order of devices to boot from USB or whatever can prove a complicated task.

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Eh. I never seen any business guy using Thinkpads. All the Thinkpad users I met, and they're quite a bunch, were geeks/devs/hackers like me.

I just don't know how to explain this. People usually call them "Buisness-line Thinkpads" - they can cost like 2 MacBooks Pro

I just don't know how to explain this. People usually call them "Buisness-line Thinkpads" - they can cost like 2 MacBooks Pro

Yeah they are classified as such

then fashion heavy areas macbooks

Oh, yes. Brits are all about Apple. They prefer the shittiest iPod to a good device from any other brand. So weird.

For me they just defaulted to the standard layout. Esc worked, volume worked, but brightness didn't.

Oh okkk

Oh, yes. Brits are all about Apple. They prefer the shittiest iPod to a good device from any other brand. So weird.

Yes, but the actual business people use thinkpads

No, the cables come included AFAIK. And I have some from my iPhone. It would be a nice combo indeed. But I'm as far to buy an Apple as I am to buy a Jaguar car.

Ah, im in the same boat myself :|

It was a live USB in a Best Buy, so things may be better haha

Nah, close nuff

In Testing the only issue we saw is with some MacBooks having problems to install or boot Fedora, but it was sorted with 26/27 They're should be working fine.

Fantastic!

I just don't know how to explain this. People usually call them "Buisness-line Thinkpads" - they can cost like 2 MacBooks Pro

Oh. Yeah, which ones you mean. And I wouldn't buy them. They make no sense to me. If I have that money, I'd buy a MacBook. But I'm not into business/finances.

Oh, yes. Brits are all about Apple. They prefer the shittiest iPod to a good device from any other brand. So weird.

There are lots of product placement/hidden ads of apple in british TV shows in 2000s

Yes, but the actual business people use thinkpads

Yes, of course. Because the actual business people need to work, not just throwing money and showing off.

Yes, but the actual business people use thinkpads

Apple is ironically good for business

Apple is ironically good for business

For fashion, sure

because apple does repair well and cheaply in bulk

there was a report on recurrent costs of business laptops

apple beat lenovo there

There are lots of product placement/hidden ads of apple in british TV shows in 2000s

I read somewhere that producers are free to use Apple products on their shows, no royalties or credit needed

because apple does repair well and cheaply in bulk

And Lenovo do it for free

There are lots of product placement/hidden ads of apple in british TV shows in 2000s

I saw one british TV show once, and there were scene with at least 3 minutes of iPod

Apple is ironically good for business

I'm not saying is not good. I'm saying that many people choose Apple for random reasons unrelated to their quality.

And Lenovo do it for free

*apple beat lenovo there

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im not saying apple is a good company or that mac is a good os

Apple support is incredibly good, Lenovo is the best but for different reasons

I'm not saying is not good. I'm saying that many people choose Apple for random reasons unrelated to their quality.

like final cut, the one good piece of software apple makes

And Lenovo do it for free

To a business? In a bulk of computers? I don't think so.

Well, Lenovo ISN'T The best

Apple is ironically good for business

Apple products helps people feel themselves like "a better than anyone"

i think its also got to do with the number of thinkpad models lenovo has to maintain vs the 3 macbook pro models

Apple products helps people feel themselves like "a better than anyone"

For some people, iPhone is like a psychological drug

For some people, iPhone is like a psychological drug

Heh, maybe. I can't confirm.

But it's an interesting theory.

I don't doubt it. Especially considering psychological studies of the effects of social media on persistent users.

I'm sure a device that provides access to all of it, especially a coveted and expensive device, would also contribute.

Can someone in the US Buy my monitor now? ?

Apple products helps people feel themselves like "a better than anyone"

I don't know, the truth is that iPhones or Macs, despite all issues with them, are giving a simple choice for consumers where they can get something shiny without thinking too much about it

I don't doubt it. Especially considering psychological studies of the effects of social media on persistent users.

What on Earth means that? We all use social media.

I don't know, the truth is that iPhones or Macs, despite all issues with them, are giving a simple choice for consumers where they can get something shiny without thinking too much about it

Exactly

for a long time there was "spend half an hour researching all the Android phones to find one which is not bad" vs. "get an iPhone"

What on Earth means that? We all use social media.

Yeah. But different techniques used by these companies offer incentive to stay. Such as likes. This triggers the gratitude craving people have. Makes them feel liked or wanted or appreciated.

Or clever advertising to appeal to particular interests.

for a long time there was "spend half an hour researching all the Android phones to find one which is not bad" vs. "get an iPhone"

I can confirm this. I stopped paying attention to phones as soon as I got this iPhone and it's not even new or advanced.

Yeah. But different techniques used by these companies offer incentive to stay. Such as likes. This triggers the gratitude craving people have. Makes them feel liked or wanted or appreciated.

it's called "instant gratification" and you can find it everywhere nowadays

it's called "instant gratification" and you can find it everywhere nowadays

That's the one! Thanks :)

for a long time there was "spend half an hour researching all the Android phones to find one which is not bad" vs. "get an iPhone"

It still is though

Yeah. But different techniques used by these companies offer incentive to stay. Such as likes. This triggers the gratitude craving people have. Makes them feel liked or wanted or appreciated.

Right. People is stupid. That's a well known fact. But I still don't see any link between owning an iPhone and getting addicted.

It sounds to me like pulling conclusions from random facts put together.

It still is though

well, now you have "get a cheaper one" or "the more expensive one" but still the choice is much, much easier than with Androids

Right. People is stupid. That's a well known fact. But I still don't see any link between owning an iPhone and getting addicted.

Ah, it can happen with anything really. I think it just depends on the particular person and the severity

Ah, it can happen with anything really. I think it just depends on the particular person and the severity

Totally true.

And their self control, which I don't have ?

Yeah. But different techniques used by these companies offer incentive to stay. Such as likes. This triggers the gratitude craving people have. Makes them feel liked or wanted or appreciated.

I read a book about it, but this was a comedy book... And it was called "Oral WOW!-impulse" in that book...?

I read a book about it, but this was a comedy book... And it was called "Oral WOW!-impulse" in that book...?

Aha! I love that ?

crappy humor though, but easy-to-explainable