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Justin06.01.2018
19:07:14
19:07:14
They could let the community deal with the desktop too, like the other *buntus and most other Linux distros....
I think this is why they switched back to GNOME, for that reason. ?
Mikhail06.01.2018
19:07:42
19:07:42
For the sake of not upsetting some lost office who might be still using Win95 and only now started to consider to upgrade their computers?
They do everything to remove this machines at allAdvertisement, lack of support, win10 only services, etc.
Google
Sid06.01.2018
19:08:22
19:08:22
I think this is why they switched back to GNOME, for that reason. ?
Yeah, but they've Frankenstein-ed vanilla GNOME :(Mikhail06.01.2018
19:08:46
19:08:46
Sid06.01.2018
19:09:12
19:09:12
Yeah. Part of my issue is that I type much faster than I write, but then when I type, I get too many details and I think I miss the points during lectures.
I have my own code- like way of writing and typing things, it drives my profs and my friends crazy...
D4ni3l
Kohane06.01.2018
19:09:56
19:09:56
So if they will make gigantic changes, it will work
In Uruguay many offices were still using ancient versions. I saw a library with Win2000, and another wth Vista and yet another with ugly Frankenstein related to XP.The rest of them were using Ubuntu though.
חנכתה06.01.2018
19:11:31
19:11:31
I think Canonical is refocusing themselves on servers and IoT, because that's where Ubuntu is doing well. I think that's why their desktop is getting less focus, and why they decided to go back to using GNOME (i.e. a project that isn't just Canonical developers working mostly by themselves).
also you must have stable "one-click-installing" distro to extend your company with new workspaces and engineersKohane06.01.2018
19:11:45
19:11:45
Enterprises can be even worse.
"You should update your computer..."
"What! No! I spent a lot of money on them!"
"But they're twenty years old."
"And so what? My car is twenty years old and it's working"
Mikhail06.01.2018
19:13:29
19:13:29
In Uruguay many offices were still using ancient versions. I saw a library with Win2000, and another wth Vista and yet another with ugly Frankenstein related to XP.
Same in Russia, but what's the problem? You can easily send data from ext4 linux server to NTFS windows computer. What's the problem to make legacy-supportable filesystem?Even Apple did this APFS
חנכתה06.01.2018
19:15:08
19:15:08
Same in Russia, but what's the problem? You can easily send data from ext4 linux server to NTFS windows computer. What's the problem to make legacy-supportable filesystem?
Sberbank of Russia: our PC's ar unsafe? so.. no any transactions to other countries anymoreMikhail06.01.2018
19:16:13
19:16:13
Sberbank of Russia: our PC's ar unsafe? so.. no any transactions to other countries anymore
I remember how WannaCry attacked some Sberbank computersI hate that thing, their ATM's are crap
GoogleMikhail06.01.2018
19:18:23
19:18:23
And the cards which you should pay every year... Really? IN 2018 YEAR?
חנכתה06.01.2018
19:18:44
19:18:44
thts hrrbl, bro
Mikhail06.01.2018
19:20:28
19:20:28
thts hrrbl, bro
Gazprombank still uses Win95 ATM'S which goes in terminal mode when you put the money, but even this is better than Sberbank modern so-cool ATM'sחנכתה06.01.2018
19:22:18
19:22:18
Mikhail06.01.2018
19:23:51
19:23:51
But that's really funny
They are surprisingly noisy, and the internet connection is too slow
Why there is no linux ATM's?
חנכתה06.01.2018
19:26:18
19:26:18
i think its really easier to develope it with clear rpm-based linux+wayland+qt
Michael06.01.2018
19:26:24
19:26:24
I've seen that in my bank, they use Windows XP ??
Kohane06.01.2018
19:27:13
19:27:13
They are surprisingly noisy, and the internet connection is too slow
Well, at least they have one. British trains have none. In theory there is, but you never get to use it.Michael06.01.2018
19:28:23
19:28:23
Well, at least they have one. British trains have none. In theory there is, but you never get to use it.
Italian trains are always late.Mikhail06.01.2018
19:28:43
19:28:43
I heard Russhan RailRoads uses DOS ones
חנכתה06.01.2018
19:29:41
19:29:41
i saw how national bank of kazakhstan used dos
Michael06.01.2018
19:29:56
19:29:56
Googleחנכתה06.01.2018
19:30:30
19:30:30
and Norton Commander
Kohane06.01.2018
19:32:44
19:32:44
and I don't think they have an Internet Connection
Did you try?
Anyway, I can say much about trains. Uruguay has no trains.Mikhail06.01.2018
19:33:40
19:33:40
חנכתה06.01.2018
19:33:52
19:33:52
and I don't think they have an Internet Connection
but it could have own protocols for dial-up connectionthats too oldschool stuff))
Mikhail06.01.2018
19:35:32
19:35:32
Dial-up is still cool. I mean, why not use it for little iot devices which sends not much of data, or for the people who likes to use mail
And that's more reliable than anything, as I heard
Mikhail06.01.2018
19:36:35
19:36:35
In Russia, Rostelecom still provides Dial-up cards
You know, plastic cards with secret codes which gives you 100-500mb of traffic
Guys, what do you think about DELL Vostro 3568-8147 laptop?
I heard it's so pro-Linux so you cannot install Windows on it's original bios
Lilithium06.01.2018
20:10:47
20:10:47
That sounds fishy to me
Mikhail06.01.2018
20:12:35
20:12:35
Out-of-the-box UEFI/BIOS don't support windows booting
Michał06.01.2018
20:18:40
20:18:40
And that's more reliable than anything, as I heard
I don't remember dialup being that much reliable, plus given how many landlines are currently just VoIP + cable, isn't the voice compression breaking dialup?חנכתה06.01.2018
20:18:43
20:18:43
In Russia, Rostelecom still provides Dial-up cards
we dialed each other with friends without provider and it wasnt fidonetGoogleחנכתה06.01.2018
20:19:21
20:19:21
but we also used fidonet
Mikhail06.01.2018
20:21:11
20:21:11
I don't remember dialup being that much reliable, plus given how many landlines are currently just VoIP + cable, isn't the voice compression breaking dialup?
maybe, but you can get to dial-up almost everywhereMichał06.01.2018
20:23:30
20:23:30
maybe, but you can get to dial-up almost everywhere
everywhere where only old telephone lines are available ;) Where I live most landlines are currently digital anyway, and when that's not available, LTE probably has coverage - but I would assume in remote parts of Russia or USA that's out of the questionMikhail06.01.2018
20:24:41
20:24:41
There are no LTE in my part of town from my provider
AdminERROR: S client not available
Mikhail06.01.2018
20:24:51
20:24:51
Only 3G
What was your first internet connection?
Mine was 56kbit/s 2G USB modem
Michał06.01.2018
20:26:32
20:26:32
there can be reception problems, but you can use an external antenna for those
Mikhail06.01.2018
20:28:24
20:28:24
Still, 3G is faster and more reliable than dialup as far as I know ;)
I know some places whn there are no 3G but phone linesMichał06.01.2018
20:29:35
20:29:35
I know some places whn there are no 3G but phone lines
that's why it's important that dialup can still be used :) also, the sound of dialup connecting is one of the most beautiful sounds I know, but that's nostalgia talkingbut now 50mb/s lightning
I think 55mb/s is the cheapest, slowest internet I can get at my place... 14yo me would be thrilled
Vafa06.01.2018
20:30:48
20:30:48
I was working in ISP 10 years ago. We shared E1 line (256kb) between 32 incoming dialup connection and we were best in city
Michał06.01.2018
20:31:29
20:31:29
Googleחנכתה06.01.2018
20:33:56
20:33:56
ithought DSL died 10 years ago
Vafa06.01.2018
20:34:02
20:34:02
The government use a filtering and major social network is blocked in there. Even GitHub
חנכתה06.01.2018
20:35:22
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...bc10 years before we had 100mbit lan all ower the town
with 10mbit external internet
Vafa06.01.2018
20:36:00
20:36:00
Lan? Are you sure? You mean Ethernet?
Vafa06.01.2018
20:38:04
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I'm not saying 16mb is too much, I'm saying they jumped from 8kb to 16mb
חנכתה06.01.2018
20:38:11
20:38:11
it wasnt usual provider, it were hand-made lan
and you're right, ethernet lan
but for 200k people town
it was easiest way to download or to share movies, games, music, some linux distros
sAłtΛmΛVafa06.01.2018
20:44:02
20:44:02
DSL still alive because it use pairs of Cooper wire that already they use it for phone landline. No fiber needed for several mega bytes download
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