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Congrats, man!!!

thank you :)

My windows just bsod's and now it's updating...?

^^ nice stickers :D

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Yup.

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English only, please.

I'm going to install Windows as second OS on PC with Fedora and I would like to specify sequence of actions before I screw everything up: 1. Shrink the space on disk allocated for Linux using GParted/Gnome Disks/fdisk. And, as I figured out, it is done from live distro. 2. Install Windows in unallocated space. It is important to know that my Fedora instance was installed on old AMD motherboard with BIOS which was burnt out this summer. Instead of it I installed Intel (yeah, yeah, who knew?) board with UEFI. That's why I have Linux installed in legacy mode. Can this somehow affect the installation? Do I need to install Windows in UEFI mode? 3. Load live distro and restore the GRUB like here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GRUB_2#Encountering_the_dreaded_GRUB_2_boot_prompt Is there something wrong?

Vim > *

Atom & nano > *

sorry don't want to take 93513 years learning dumb keybinds lol

I'm going to install Windows as second OS on PC with Fedora and I would like to specify sequence of actions before I screw everything up: 1. Shrink the space on disk allocated for Linux using GParted/Gnome Disks/fdisk. And, as I figured out, it is done from live distro. 2. Install Windows in unallocated space. It is important to know that my Fedora instance was installed on old AMD motherboard with BIOS which was burnt out this summer. Instead of it I installed Intel (yeah, yeah, who knew?) board with UEFI. That's why I have Linux installed in legacy mode. Can this somehow affect the installation? Do I need to install Windows in UEFI mode? 3. Load live distro and restore the GRUB like here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GRUB_2#Encountering_the_dreaded_GRUB_2_boot_prompt Is there something wrong?

Well, aside asking you what you need windows for and if it cant be solved with virtualisation: 1) You will break your linux bootloader doing this so you need to restore it after 2) If you have too many partitions already windows might not install unless you force it into a single coherent ntfs partition 3) tell us why your task cant be achieved without virtualisation.

Good read: https://medium.com/@caspervonb/why-i-still-use-vim-67afd76b4db6?21

When I saw THAT memory comparison, I've begin to laugh very much

I mean, Atom LITERALLY so huge?

Well, it's chromium

They should call it "gas giant", not Atom

Well, aside asking you what you need windows for and if it cant be solved with virtualisation: 1) You will break your linux bootloader doing this so you need to restore it after 2) If you have too many partitions already windows might not install unless you force it into a single coherent ntfs partition 3) tell us why your task cant be achieved without virtualisation.

Well, I want to play games and virtual machines work like crap on my computer.

Atom & nano > *

Nano is for people not know to exit from vim

All my files opened with nano end up with ":wq" at the top of them

All my files opened with nano end up with ":wq" at the top of them

Lol

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All my files opened with nano end up with ":wq" at the top of them

I have mapped with -S

Nano is for people not know to exit from vim

Nano is a good starting editor for people that are learning the command line. I recommend it often for people who are getting started. https://fedoramagazine.org/gnu-nano-minimalist-console-editor/

I mean, Atom LITERALLY so huge?

I thought it was Electron that was always so bad, with Atom and the Slack desktop app, but then I realized that the Riot web app (https://opensource.com/article/17/5/introducing-riot-IRC) is also written with Electron and it doesn't have the memory leaks that Atom and Slack have. I realized then that Atom and Slack seem to be poor implementations of Electron, as compared to Electron being bad all around.

Nano is a good starting editor for people that are learning the command line. I recommend it often for people who are getting started. https://fedoramagazine.org/gnu-nano-minimalist-console-editor/

Is more simple vim

Lmao .. small gun .. isnt it ?

Is more simple vim

Admittedly, it took me a long time to start using Vim, but now that I've forced myself to use it, it's hard to go back to anything else. I think the addicting part is having the same text editor / IDE on a server that I have on my personal machine. I get to use the tool I'm comfortable with anywhere, any way, any time…

Lmao .. small gun .. isnt it ?

So slow

Admittedly, it took me a long time to start using Vim, but now that I've forced myself to use it, it's hard to go back to anything else. I think the addicting part is having the same text editor / IDE on a server that I have on my personal machine. I get to use the tool I'm comfortable with anywhere, any way, any time…

Pop in my vimrc and I'm all set

So slow

Whats the slow ?

Whats the slow ?

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Yeah i was taking a look on the older msgs

Hi Justin and all..

Admittedly, it took me a long time to start using Vim, but now that I've forced myself to use it, it's hard to go back to anything else. I think the addicting part is having the same text editor / IDE on a server that I have on my personal machine. I get to use the tool I'm comfortable with anywhere, any way, any time…

is very simple to use vim same nano

is very simple to use vim same nano

Hmm, I disagree. It takes time to really get comfortable with Vim, especially if you are not really comfortable with a command-line yet.

But like anything else, if you practice, it becomes easy with time and repetition.

Hmm, I disagree. It takes time to really get comfortable with Vim, especially if you are not really comfortable with a command-line yet.

Yes, but five minutes for have same nano fetures

Yes, but five minutes for have same nano fetures

True… once you know what the shortcuts are. ? For me, it took me months of using it, so slowly and inefficient, before I became really comfortable with it. Plus, there are plugins that I use now that make Vim more powerful for me. I didn't know about them when I first started using Vim.

I've almost completely moved myself to https://micro-editor.github.io/

Anyone what most popular DE for you? I use KDE, i like gnome but, when show all windows menu it's so not smooth i think . My laptop dell release date 2017 with Intel hd 4000 & Nvidia 940mx 2gb . Anyggestions maybe ?

*suggestions

Anyone what most popular DE for you? I use KDE, i like gnome but, when show all windows menu it's so not smooth i think . My laptop dell release date 2017 with Intel hd 4000 & Nvidia 940mx 2gb . Anyggestions maybe ?

Gnome

On my laptop, i show all windows not smooth in gnome.

Anyone what most popular DE for you? I use KDE, i like gnome but, when show all windows menu it's so not smooth i think . My laptop dell release date 2017 with Intel hd 4000 & Nvidia 940mx 2gb . Anyggestions maybe ?

While I like GNOME, I consider it to have poor resource allocation optimization, resulting in higher memory usage for the same or less running processes.

It's pretty, especially with themes, and I'm actually using it on my desktop, but I'm already considering moving back to KDE because it becomes slower and slower the longer it runs.

I've almost completely moved myself to https://micro-editor.github.io/

For plug-in?

On my laptop, i show all windows not smooth in gnome.

And if I prefer change VGA to Nvidia , that's smooth but fan is very noise

For plug-in?

no, just as my go-to terminal text editor

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While I like GNOME, I consider it to have poor resource allocation optimization, resulting in higher memory usage for the same or less running processes.

Have you traced stuff like this? Bugs in GObject's ref/unref system?

Have you traced stuff like this? Bugs in GObject's ref/unref system?

It's mostly Mutter throwing crap everywhere from the logs I've read. ?

It's mostly Mutter throwing crap everywhere from the logs I've read. ?

lol "throwing crap everywhere". The technical term developers love to hear.

allow me to disagree, rawhide works quite well if you know what you're doing, I'm using it in my personal laptop. From my perspective, auto allow erasing is the terrible idea, you should always confirm first and delete later.

Yeah, I had a laptop where I tried to install open nvidia drivers and it broke the install instantly

lol "throwing crap everywhere". The technical term developers love to hear.

Yeah, I know. There's an active bug actually, so I just marked confirmed for me :)

Not actually home rn, so I can't do log pasties

Okay good. As long as there's a bug and you've done your duty as a responsible user, you're not just throwing shade.

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Okay good. As long as there's a bug and you've done your duty as a responsible user, you're not just throwing shade.

Yeah, I've learned from that in the past. Doesn't go anywhere, haha.

Too many people like to "throw crap everywhere" and rag on GNOME without solid evidence to back it up.

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I've almost completely moved myself to https://micro-editor.github.io/

Oh, this looks neat! What's your favorite thing about it?

Anyone what most popular DE for you? I use KDE, i like gnome but, when show all windows menu it's so not smooth i think . My laptop dell release date 2017 with Intel hd 4000 & Nvidia 940mx 2gb . Anyggestions maybe ?

I have a lot of respect for GNOME, but once I spent time learning i3wm, I haven't been able to leave i3.

Oh, this looks neat! What's your favorite thing about it?

The intuitive keyboard shortcuts. Ctrl-Q for quit, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V. And it has mouse select integration.

The intuitive keyboard shortcuts. Ctrl-Q for quit, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V. And it has mouse select integration.

Oh, that is nice.

Too many people like to "throw crap everywhere" and rag on GNOME without solid evidence to back it up.

Yeah, I feel you. I actually like GNOME quite a bit, despite mumbling and grumbling at it from time to time, lol.

It's got a decent command palette. It's a lot like a terminal version of Atom or Sublime text.

Ctrl-E, hsplit ~/foo.txt

will open in a horizontal split editor

Gnome > i3wm

Actually, micro-editor might make for an interesting Magazine article.

I have a lot of respect for GNOME, but once I spent time learning i3wm, I haven't been able to leave i3.

I still need nice looks user interface too for present to our customer he he he

Actually, micro-editor might make for an interesting Magazine article.

Heh, I was actually thinking the same…

Gnome > i3wm

It's all preference. I don't know if I consider i3wm easy to learn, but after almost two years, I've fallen in love with it because I move faster with it. But it wasn't easy to learn, for me… ?

Actually, my i3wm experience is a lot like Vim, lolol

dwm > i3wm

But not have time to transform dwm same as gnome

Wow, good reason not to go with i3 ?

But not have time to transform dwm same as gnome

Then GNOME is the right one for you. ?

Nano is for people not know to exit from vim

Exactly xD

Idk, I think there's also the option of not needing anything else. ?

Though I typically use Gedit or Kate for everything, Nano is more than suffice when I'm in the terminal/TTY.

Though I typically use Gedit or Kate for everything, Nano is more than suffice when I'm in the terminal/TTY.

Exactly. Vi is cool and all but it's pointless for me. Sure, if I took the time to learn it I could be more efficient but I don't want to take the time ?

Plus, If I had to choose I would prefer Emacs over Vim (come at me)

Yeah. If something requires you to change your workflow, it's not any more efficient for a long while. For me, it's not worth that investment. I'd rather just do what I need to get done and finish.

I mean, Atom LITERALLY so huge?

I use vim :) , never used a graphical ide before.

Nano is a good starting editor for people that are learning the command line. I recommend it often for people who are getting started. https://fedoramagazine.org/gnu-nano-minimalist-console-editor/

I find this underestimating peoples learning abilities. Basically a starter just need: Basic command like understanding. :q to quit :wq save and quit :x save and quit too :q! force quit discarding changes. g, h, j, k for left, down, up, right. Esc to switch from insert mode to normal mode. i for switching from normal mode to insert mode. That it's.

I find this underestimating peoples learning abilities. Basically a starter just need: Basic command like understanding. :q to quit :wq save and quit :x save and quit too :q! force quit discarding changes. g, h, j, k for left, down, up, right. Esc to switch from insert mode to normal mode. i for switching from normal mode to insert mode. That it's.

I guess. But learning the basics isn't the same as being fast and getting the work done quickly without making silly mistakes.

I've known how to do everything you listed for years, but it didn't mean I understood how to be quick or that I was comfortable. For a long time, I was faster with Sublime Text, and only recently felt comfortable with Vim where it takes me less time to do the things I want to do.

I've known how to do everything you listed for years, but it didn't mean I understood how to be quick or that I was comfortable. For a long time, I was faster with Sublime Text, and only recently felt comfortable with Vim where it takes me less time to do the things I want to do.

Hilariously, I got comfortable with vim, in emacs