But I am confused why the Branched channel is just available a few weeks before an alpha release.??? As what other Fedora people have informed to me, Rawhide is like Deb Sid, Branched is like Deb testing, Fedora and Deb stable are equivalent.☺️

Everyone's updating for that new vulnerability just disclosed

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But I am confused why the Branched channel is just available a few weeks before an alpha release.??? As what other Fedora people have informed to me, Rawhide is like Deb Sid, Branched is like Deb testing, Fedora and Deb stable are equivalent.☺️

Wrong right at the first alpha

Starting with F28 (or 27?) there will be no more alpha releases. Branched is already available right now as patches and foxes are being worked on for fedora 28. And you should not use rawhide, branched or their packages for daily usage.

Fedora stable is as updated as debian whatever their always broken always latest is - sometimes topping arch release times for kernels. Yet its stable because of automated and community testing. And things known to break or needing transition like gnome or gtk will simply not be updated in major revisions and instead only in minor or patch revisions. branched and rawhide are builds that nobody will care if your setup dies, irrecoverably, tomorrow because they are for developers - until branched is going beta.

Starting with F28 (or 27?) there will be no more alpha releases. Branched is already available right now as patches and foxes are being worked on for fedora 28. And you should not use rawhide, branched or their packages for daily usage.

Foxes > Fixes

Foxes > Fixes

Nah, better that way :3

:D

And there is a seperate "testing" repo option for dnf that simply allows you to download packages that make it to bodhi that the communitybhasnt karmad up too. You can start to be one of those karma-givers

https://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/584653

What's up with the "FATALLY THIS" and "FATALLY THAT" kick?

Are you dead?

hello guys! I have a problem with bumblebee after kernal update. Anybody have the same problem?

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Linus on fire... Great to see he doesn't marry to anyone

What could I use to benchmark my CPU before and after the patch, and see the impact? Would like to see how this affects old Core2Duo

What could I use to benchmark my CPU before and after the patch, and see the impact? Would like to see how this affects old Core2Duo

as far as I've heard this affects syscalls the most, so maybe some disk-writing benchmarks would be good in this case - assuming you'd like to check the worst case scenario

? thanks

maybe something based on dd writing from /dev/urandom somewhere in as small chunks as possible would be a good idea? Keep in mind, I didn't read too much into what is actually the problem

It's unbelievable what Intel is doing

A real shame

I rather keep the vulnerability than throwing the computer to trash two years before

I rather keep the vulnerability than throwing the computer to trash two years before

What?

Allow my rant, please.

I would rather lose 30% of processing power, which is not that big of a deal, than risk having my passwords stolen

but yeah, to each their own

I would rather lose 30% of processing power, which is not that big of a deal, than risk having my passwords stolen

Tell that to the IT that runs servers and to explain it to their "magnificent" chiefs who only sees 30% less performance on the same setup and cost

I was replying to a personal rant with a personal view

In a perfect world yes, but... Some people is going to get screwed by an Intel fault

I'm well aware that the industry view is a whole different thing

I just use AMD, and since it’s only partially affected and can be fairly easy fixed, I’ve made sure that I am still secured.

Google Makes Disclosure About The CPU Vulnerability Affecting Intel / AMD / ARM http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Google-CPU-Disclosure

Though, my current server is running Intel Atom.

And since it’s slow as is, 30% perfomance cut will be sad. On the other hand, it basically works in an isolated and controlled environment, without direct exposure to the Internet.

Dear Atom... I had one on a Netbook... It was a big POS on the day. Hell, Intel sold It with Broken drivers that they never Fix...

That server is the netbook, in my case.

I just don’t have any better hardware for that.

Atom N270

Dear Atom... I had one on a Netbook... It was a big POS on the day. Hell, Intel sold It with Broken drivers that they never Fix...

You can fix it by grub

N270 I think I have It on a Packard Bell DOTS Netbook (Acer Aspire One clone)

You can fix it by grub

The problem were the integrated graphics of the N2600... Never got to work It right and sold It before It was too late...

What could I use to benchmark my CPU before and after the patch, and see the impact? Would like to see how this affects old Core2Duo

The phoronix benchmark suite

Or any current pgsql/mariadb ect. test as databases are amongst those most heavily affected.

But if uaing a core2duo one is likely so accustomed to it being slow that it barely matters

I don't feel It so slow...

sometimes I think my gnome shell is broken .-. right now it uses 23% of RAM. On a notebook with 16GB…

And you’re worried? With 16GB?

And you’re worried? With 16GB?

Well, I noticed because I was out of memory

How can you go out of memory?

I have 4GB and never use it all.

I get: Cannot download 'https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/metalink?repo=updates-released-f27&arch=x86_64': Cannot prepare internal mirrorlist: file "repomd.xml" was not found in metalink. Error: Failed to synchronize cache for repo 'updates'

Maybe your connection isn’t very stable? This only happens to me when my connection is either too slow or unstable.

If you want cutting edge fedora you run rawhide, otherwise you get tested stable packages

Yes, but remember that Rawhide is not mean for daily use. Things are expected to get broken as it’s for testing purposes.

But I am confused why the Branched channel is just available a few weeks before an alpha release.??? As what other Fedora people have informed to me, Rawhide is like Deb Sid, Branched is like Deb testing, Fedora and Deb stable are equivalent.☺️

There no alpha releases now. Only Beta and final.

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Linus rants ?

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/28/Schedule 20 Feb: 28 Branching 6 March: 28 beta 17 April: 28 final freeze 8 May: 28 finalize By balancing cutting edge and stability the Fedora workloads are quite heavy every 0.5 years, right???

I have 4GB and never use it all.

Just keep your system running. And use edgy stuff like Slack, Spotify, Riot, … at the same time. Now open a browser of your choice and more than 40 tabs. It's interesting how fast your memory is gone

Just keep your system running. And use edgy stuff like Slack, Spotify, Riot, … at the same time. Now open a browser of your choice and more than 40 tabs. It's interesting how fast your memory is gone

No, I don’t open 40 tabs because it would be a stupid waste of resources. I can’t pay attention to so many things in the very same moment so why keeping them open?

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/28/Schedule 20 Feb: 28 Branching 6 March: 28 beta 17 April: 28 final freeze 8 May: 28 finalize By balancing cutting edge and stability the Fedora workloads are quite heavy every 0.5 years, right???

What? No. Its a contionouus Improvement until the release and freezes come - from then on it is a very intense but short bughunting season.

What? No. Its a contionouus Improvement until the release and freezes come - from then on it is a very intense but short bughunting season.

It’s beta and final release with milestones in between.

No, I don’t open 40 tabs because it would be a stupid waste of resources. I can’t pay attention to so many things in the very same moment so why keeping them open?

Well, support work including researches often requires it

Like scientific research? Yeah, I do that. But still, if I don’t use it I don’t keep it open.

It’s beta and final release with milestones in between.

And the final milestone can extend quite a bit to squash all bugs and check all release marks

What? No. Its a contionouus Improvement until the release and freezes come - from then on it is a very intense but short bughunting season.

Continuous improvements are sure but you will be too busy every 0.5 years? However rolling ones like Parabola they dnt freeze but are always improving every available moments w/o a schedule.

Continuous improvements are sure but you will be too busy every 0.5 years? However rolling ones like Parabola they dnt freeze but are always improving every available moments w/o a schedule.

And have the possiblity of breaking all the time because a rolloing release gnome/gtk/qt are very very bad ideas.

Fedora updates you once every ~7 Months +/-, which is one big update action you can do whenever you like, takes about 20 Minutes overall and it will safely upgrade all installed packages to their latest versions and check their integrity.

ERROR: S client not available

The only thing remaining is your /home and most of your /home config files.

For more seasoned people they might want to check .rpmnew files that have not been applied for services they set their own configs for but the average user doesnt muck around with such.

Rolling release can be done right but its very very hard to achieve and most RR distros are clearly labeled experimental or for advanced users only - because they can never be in a stable, tested state and risk data integrity of their users every single day. If you are so "advanced" that you need the very latest software not from stable but from git-master all the time and dont care if your entire system breaks because you have backups and can just reinstall then go ahead.

But if you need down to the core stability that you can rely on, a pc that boots every time when you want to hold a presentation, a pc that always is patched against bugs but not so patched that a patch will kill it - the world of release cycle distros welcomes you

Rolling release can be done right but its very very hard to achieve and most RR distros are clearly labeled experimental or for advanced users only - because they can never be in a stable, tested state and risk data integrity of their users every single day. If you are so "advanced" that you need the very latest software not from stable but from git-master all the time and dont care if your entire system breaks because you have backups and can just reinstall then go ahead.

I dnt very worry this which I always have few backup drives not used to be installed with any systems. Occasionally breaking stuff is my life which I have very much time using free software. I also need to keep studing to fix any broken stuffs and mostly I have achieved this with a little often have been failed. However, which kinds of people will need more stability? One which you are worried to risks? Or one which you need conservative practices? Anyone else?

I dnt very worry this which I always have few backup drives not used to be installed with any systems. Occasionally breaking stuff is my life which I have very much time using free software. I also need to keep studing to fix any broken stuffs and mostly I have achieved this with a little often have been failed. However, which kinds of people will need more stability? One which you are worried to risks? Or one which you need conservative practices? Anyone else?

"Using free software" is not related to "breaking all the time" - Using shitty made distros is. Erm. Ever installed linux for a relative/someone else that wants to get into it or is willing to try? Governments? Companies? Users? Anyone that doesnt have too much free time on their hands to resetup their pc every day?

Preferring stability and "not breaking all shit" is the wanted default, distros that differ from that are either niche or clearly targeting users that either are advanced (gentoo) or think they are advanced (arch)

"Using free software" is not related to "breaking all the time" - Using shitty made distros is. Erm. Ever installed linux for a relative/someone else that wants to get into it or is willing to try? Governments? Companies? Users? Anyone that doesnt have too much free time on their hands to resetup their pc every day?

Yes using free software is not too much related to breaking stuffs anytime, yet with a long free time everyday you dnt care, which you have time to troubleshoot it by yourself.

Yes using free software is not too much related to breaking stuffs anytime, yet with a long free time everyday you dnt care, which you have time to troubleshoot it by yourself.

Thing is, most people neither have the time, will or need to - and if you want to get into sysadmin jobs its not a good sign that you have to fix your pc every day.

Preferring stability and "not breaking all shit" is the wanted default, distros that differ from that are either niche or clearly targeting users that either are advanced (gentoo) or think they are advanced (arch)

Yes I am kinds of one a certainty more advanced then default, pacman is a too simple thing to me, yet still dunno to read the Gentoo manuals due to obfuscation.

What about it is "too simple" for you?

And what is "obfuscated"?

Thing is, most people neither have the time, will or need to - and if you want to get into sysadmin jobs its not a good sign that you have to fix your pc every day.

I just haven’t to fix PC everyday but by 0.5 years A FEW things are broken A FEW times.

And thats why we stay on Fedora because that doesnt happen there

The worst i ever had was a filezilla version bug making it not start until i pulled just it from updates-testing

@Wolfshappen Yes and to clarify here, the pacman stuff are simple and looked advanced to me, which I’m speaking here using an pacman system, unlikely Gentoo is a stuff w an unneeded complexity, namely an obfuscation.

Which obfuscation.

There is no obfuscation, its free software.

And thats why we stay on Fedora because that doesnt happen there

Yet if a friend is careless he is going to break his Fedora systems every 0.5 years.

Yet if a friend is careless he is going to break his Fedora systems every 0.5 years.

Very, very, very unlikely.

How would he manage that?

The system downloads all package sources for you before it reboots - you could pull out the ethernet cable while it updates. Then gnome software informs you of a new update being available. Then it shuts down, reboots into a special boot mode just for updating your system and then first updates everything, then checks all files for integrity, then rolls back on grave errors or proceeds if everything went fine.

The whole thing is so carefully done to ensure it will work flawless that you'd have a really hard time to get that wrong.

There is no obfuscation, its free software.

Not standing for software obfuscations, I need to stand this for the Gentoo manuals for using their heart, quite hard to fully ensure what Gentoo is saying how to use their system, but if this is over that is become simple.

That Gentoo unneeded complexity is never appeared in pacman stuffs.

I’m quite unsure Gentoo focuses on, but pacman stuffs are surely very very focused on simplicity, cutting edged security, finally DIY.

Continuous improvements are sure but you will be too busy every 0.5 years? However rolling ones like Parabola they dnt freeze but are always improving every available moments w/o a schedule.

I don’t understand what you mean. Too busy for what?

Yes using free software is not too much related to breaking stuffs anytime, yet with a long free time everyday you dnt care, which you have time to troubleshoot it by yourself.

My congratulations for your long free time. But normal people have a life, so their free time isn’t that much.

I don’t understand what you mean. Too busy for what?

I mean the Fedora teams are too busy every 0.5 years that is the next release for an integer.

There is no obfuscation, its free software.

I think he means “I don’t understand a shit, but I don’t want to acknowledge it.”

I mean the Fedora teams are too busy every 0.5 years that is the next release for an integer.

No, we’re busy almost the whole year long, with peaks of activity around the release times. And yes, that’s what QA teams do, been busy squashing bugs and testing stuff. So what’s your point?