Having 2 extra kernels does not hurt at all.

It's good to have backup kernels in case of kernel panic or something.

Every time the kernel get an upgrade the third oldest one will be authomatically removed.

It's good to have backup kernels in case of kernel panic or something.

^ this.

But why?

[sajjad@localhost ~]$ sudo grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg [sudo] password for sajjad: Sorry, try again. [sudo] password for sajjad: Sorry, try again. [sudo] password for sajjad: Generating grub configuration file ... Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-4.12.11-300.fc26.x86_64 Found initrd image: /boot/initramfs-4.12.11-300.fc26.x86_64.img Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-4.12.9-300.fc26.x86_64 Found initrd image: /boot/initramfs-4.12.9-300.fc26.x86_64.img Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-0-rescue-e34e000cc1014d17921fbc789eb6e65a Found initrd image: /boot/initramfs-0-rescue-e34e000cc1014d17921fbc789eb6e65a.img Found Windows 7 on /dev/sda1 done [sajjad@localhost ~]$ rpm -q kernel kernel-4.12.9-300.fc26.x86_64 [sajjad@localhost ~]$ su Password: [root@localhost sajjad]# dnf remove kernel-4.12.11-300.fc26.x86_64 No match for argument: kernel-4.12.11-300.fc26.x86_64 Error: No packages marked for removal. [root@localhost sajjad]#

The file size itself is just 50mb if I'm not mistaken, so it doesn't matter much if you're worring about the space

[sajjad@localhost ~]$ sudo grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg [sudo] password for sajjad: Sorry, try again. [sudo] password for sajjad: Sorry, try again. [sudo] password for sajjad: Generating grub configuration file ... Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-4.12.11-300.fc26.x86_64 Found initrd image: /boot/initramfs-4.12.11-300.fc26.x86_64.img Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-4.12.9-300.fc26.x86_64 Found initrd image: /boot/initramfs-4.12.9-300.fc26.x86_64.img Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-0-rescue-e34e000cc1014d17921fbc789eb6e65a Found initrd image: /boot/initramfs-0-rescue-e34e000cc1014d17921fbc789eb6e65a.img Found Windows 7 on /dev/sda1 done [sajjad@localhost ~]$ rpm -q kernel kernel-4.12.9-300.fc26.x86_64 [sajjad@localhost ~]$ su Password: [root@localhost sajjad]# dnf remove kernel-4.12.11-300.fc26.x86_64 No match for argument: kernel-4.12.11-300.fc26.x86_64 Error: No packages marked for removal. [root@localhost sajjad]#

wut... o.o

[sajjad@localhost ~]$ sudo grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg [sudo] password for sajjad: Sorry, try again. [sudo] password for sajjad: Sorry, try again. [sudo] password for sajjad: Generating grub configuration file ... Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-4.12.11-300.fc26.x86_64 Found initrd image: /boot/initramfs-4.12.11-300.fc26.x86_64.img Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-4.12.9-300.fc26.x86_64 Found initrd image: /boot/initramfs-4.12.9-300.fc26.x86_64.img Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-0-rescue-e34e000cc1014d17921fbc789eb6e65a Found initrd image: /boot/initramfs-0-rescue-e34e000cc1014d17921fbc789eb6e65a.img Found Windows 7 on /dev/sda1 done [sajjad@localhost ~]$ rpm -q kernel kernel-4.12.9-300.fc26.x86_64 [sajjad@localhost ~]$ su Password: [root@localhost sajjad]# dnf remove kernel-4.12.11-300.fc26.x86_64 No match for argument: kernel-4.12.11-300.fc26.x86_64 Error: No packages marked for removal. [root@localhost sajjad]#

You are missing the point.

i am remove last kernel (4.12.11)from fedora 26 but i can't remove from grub2 ?!!!

Dont. Remove. It.

You are doing yourself and your machine a massive disservice.

[sajjad@localhost ~]$ sudo grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg [sudo] password for sajjad: Sorry, try again. [sudo] password for sajjad: Sorry, try again. [sudo] password for sajjad: Generating grub configuration file ... Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-4.12.11-300.fc26.x86_64 Found initrd image: /boot/initramfs-4.12.11-300.fc26.x86_64.img Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-4.12.9-300.fc26.x86_64 Found initrd image: /boot/initramfs-4.12.9-300.fc26.x86_64.img Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-0-rescue-e34e000cc1014d17921fbc789eb6e65a Found initrd image: /boot/initramfs-0-rescue-e34e000cc1014d17921fbc789eb6e65a.img Found Windows 7 on /dev/sda1 done [sajjad@localhost ~]$ rpm -q kernel kernel-4.12.9-300.fc26.x86_64 [sajjad@localhost ~]$ su Password: [root@localhost sajjad]# dnf remove kernel-4.12.11-300.fc26.x86_64 No match for argument: kernel-4.12.11-300.fc26.x86_64 Error: No packages marked for removal. [root@localhost sajjad]#

The reason is simple: it is still exisiting on disk as its currently in use DONT REMOVE IT

(I just reported this to fedora-apps, we'll see)

I tried to talk to fedora admins on irc but no one answer so thanks for reporting

I tried to talk to fedora admins on irc but no one answer so thanks for reporting

You might just have to wait a bit for a response too

I waited more than 30 min

I waited more than 30 min

That is normal on IRC. Give an eye to riot.im and basically, that's what mailing list are for.

Keep calm, it's IRC ^^

I waited more than 30 min

https://fedoramagazine.org/4-cool-new-projects-try-copr/

Thanks @pionen

Thanks @pionen

You are welcome. It is like having your own bouncer.

I tried to talk to fedora admins on irc but no one answer so thanks for reporting

Yep, nirik came online after you logged off. +1 to using Riot.im, that's what I use too

How do you guys feel about Devuan and Void Linux?

How do you guys feel about Devuan and Void Linux?

Void is good, uses some bsd stuff, and is light AF. Package management is a tad hard, though...

Devuan is still undercooked, IMO..Atleast, for now.

I keep hearing some crap about Linux mint being insecure, any thoughts anyone??

I keep hearing some crap about Linux mint being insecure, any thoughts anyone??

From what aspects? ?

From what aspects? ?

The update thing. They have different update levels and you can turn off kernel updates for beginners.

Look in /etc/sudoers.d on an installed Linux Mint system and then ask yourself if allowing applications password less sudo is acceptable.

Look in /etc/skel on an installed Linux Mint. Compare that with Debian and Ubuntu. Ask yourself if perhaps Mint are hacking stuff together. Is it wise for every Linux Mint user to have the same Firefox profile.

Look at the defaults for the update manager. If you fully update a Linux Mint system with the defaults and then enable everything and update again. How many security updates did you just get?

This guy, @MichaelTun has a lot to say on the subject. I'd like for someone to clarify if he has a point or if his points are based on the fact that he's an Ubuntu mate contributor....

How do you guys feel about Devuan and Void Linux?

I feel I would better to stick by a major distribution for which I can find a decent community like this to help me out when things go wrong

I keep hearing some crap about Linux mint being insecure, any thoughts anyone??

They managed to get their website hacked, see kernel updates as dangerous and for some reason updating the kernel actually made me break mint several times too. And yes, with all that combined it is of significantly lower security.

A distribution needs to continually test and update all of its packages - for some its just security updates and others just do all the good stuff. Mint doesnt have the resources, manhours or even community to achieve doing so.

Distros are undertested

All of them

The suse automatic testing software is the best thing ever in this respect

Fortunately, Fedora uses it, I believe

Fedora manages to put more QA and testing into a kernel than most in a shorter time than it takes even arch to release a kernel usually. And if arch is updated but you arent you can be sure QA testing revealed bugs. XD

https://fedoramagazine.org/4-cool-new-projects-try-copr/ Amazinng guys form FM

https://fedoramagazine.org/4-cool-new-projects-try-copr/ Amazinng guys form FM

Interesting article

Hello.. i have a problem with fedora 26 and realtek rtl8821au driver.. i've download it from GitHub but how can i install them?? I have kernel 4.12 thank in advice

Welcome, sir.

lol

lol

He is the Developer of Fedora Media Writer.

yeah , just kidding : ) @pionen

yeah , just kidding : ) @pionen

Yeah no problem :)

^_^

guilty as charged... i guess there are more devs around though :)

guilty as charged... i guess there are more devs around though :)

And maintainers, and even RH employees.

guilty as charged... i guess there are more devs around though :)

A member of the Fedora Workstation and another member from the dnf team are around.

And maintainers, and even RH employees.

This is why I like the group.

is there any way to deactivate auto update on fedora workstation ??

is there any way to deactivate auto update on fedora workstation ??

gsettings set org.gnome.software download-updates false sudo systemctl mask packagekit.service

That should stop gnome software center autodownloads as well as packagekit schedule

I advise you to keep a weekly update schedule from then on manually if you do switch that off.

gsettings set org.gnome.software download-updates false sudo systemctl mask packagekit.service

if i do this, can i fully update via sudo dnf update whenever i want ??

if i do this, can i fully update via sudo dnf update whenever i want ??

1) s/??/?/ 2) yes.

The only thing you need to do as well is reboot for kernel updates since they won't be applied otherwise.

Also sudo dnf update --best --allowerasing --refresh

Does dnf auto update by default? Since we're talking about it

what is the last command do ?

ERROR: S client not available

Both update the metadata and upgrade packages I mean

what is the last command do ?

First it refreshes the package list, then enforces updating packages even if some may have unmet dependencies (like cockpit changing cockpit-shell and moving it into the package, which would otherwise not be updated)

gnome software auto download update @mi_tsuki

Does dnf auto update by default? Since we're talking about it

It pulls package lists itself sometimes if new ones are available. It does not auto-update software.

:)

Oh ok. That clear things up

thanks Tobias.

Does dnf auto update by default? Since we're talking about it

There is a post about automatic dnf updates on the Fedora Magazine.

is there any way to deactivate auto update on fedora workstation ??

Open terminal and run: sudo systemctl disable dnf-makecache.service sudo systemctl disable dnf-makecache.timer Then open /etc/dnf/dnf.conf in any text editor and add to it's end: metadata_timer_sync=0 Now you can remove dnf-automatic if installed: sudo dnf remove dnf-automatic

Open terminal and run: sudo systemctl disable dnf-makecache.service sudo systemctl disable dnf-makecache.timer Then open /etc/dnf/dnf.conf in any text editor and add to it's end: metadata_timer_sync=0 Now you can remove dnf-automatic if installed: sudo dnf remove dnf-automatic

Oh, they added more?

Sheesh

thanks Vitaly

Oh, they added more?

dnfdragora adds another daemon... yeap another thing to disable.

Sheesh

in our language sheesh means finished ?

There is a post about automatic dnf updates on the Fedora Magazine.

Recent post right? I just read about this dnf Automatic.'

Recent post right? I just read about this dnf Automatic.'

This is from the comments in that post: https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/how-to-dnf-automatic

i am on limited internet now, i can't risk auto update 10MB per $1

This is from the comments in that post: https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/how-to-dnf-automatic

Very similar to unattended-upgrades in Debian and Ubuntu as the post said. I wonder what other features this package has.

i am on limited internet now, i can't risk auto update 10MB per $1

Same here, but some devs think it is a good idea to have those features enabled out of the box as if the entire rest of the world were First World Category countries with high quality and cheap Internet connections.

Very similar to unattended-upgrades in Debian and Ubuntu as the post said. I wonder what other features this package has.

Although automatic, it still needs manual restart of services and reboot in case or kernel.

Yes .. True .. Funny thing is in my home .. i have broadband connection unlimited internet for 5$

:P

Although automatic, it still needs manual restart of services and reboot in case or kernel.

as does every linux eventually. XD

https://www.linuxcounter.net/machine/2020198

And those should be the excemption. XD

https://www.linuxcounter.net/machine/2020198

wew 7 years. Fancy that

i still dont know how DRPM compresses packages

i still dont know how DRPM compresses packages

Me neither. It is something magic.

i still dont know how DRPM compresses packages

DRPM is a binary diff between two versions of the same package.

yes. magic. i love magic