But they will screw up people whenever there is possibility to introduce fake obstacles to make move everyone to win 11. Like, some drivers wont install on win 10 with artificial limit to win11 only

Ah, so the issues and annoyances of Wayland and systemd have caused frustration among users and reduced the number of members in the free software community?

No. Open source keeps shotting itself in foot by undoing all work that is already complete. Beginning rewrities and redesigns, but is there enough manpower and resources to not only implement previous functionality, but offer something new? Its not to the question that Wayland *is* better in terms of performance. But my take on Wayland that its not good idea to move responsibility to implement common video server functionality in the DE composers. Now we have even more fragmentation in open source. For example, KDE's KWin wayland compositors performs very good, and GNOME's compositors has high latency

Yes, this is not a good thing, and it would have been better to improve the current version of the tools rather than creating a separate similar project. Of course, sometimes due to the fundamentally wrong structure of a project, they are forced to rewrite it from scratch, and this is very rare.

But I'm more satisfied with Wayland than Xorg because it's really faster.

its not stable and widely used enough for my usage

its not stable and widely used enough for my usage

Can I ask exactly what shortcomings you feel in Wayland? I have been researching Wayland for a long time, and maybe I can help address that shortcoming.

FreeBSD needs a lot of optimization in the areas of UEFI and booting, in my opinion, and I am trying to find simpler and faster ways to boot the operating system. Many thanks for the comprehensive documentation of FreeBSD, which I have not seen anything like it in any other project. I mean, I haven’t seen such complete documentation in any project. Thank you.

this and using boot2 to bypass loader might be of your use :)

Thing is we wont have this choice in future. Packages will move to wayland-only.

and lose all benefits of FreeBSD bootloader. Great way to play Linux roulette

I don't really have much knowledge about FreeRDP at the moment, and the problem might be with it. But I don't have any issues with remote desktop on my Fedora Linux, which uses Wayland. Maybe the problem is with FreeRDP, since you mentioned you're experiencing the same issue on X11

freebsd's loader is very heavy for the exact same reasons, you don't need those customisations when your priority is to boot the default kernel fast af

this and using boot2 to bypass loader might be of your use :)

I think FreeBSD's bootloader tries to handle everything during the boot stage and doesn’t leave any processes for the login screen phase. In my opinion, it would have been better if the login screen loaded faster and ran in parallel with some unrelated processes. This would result in a high-speed boot experience.

I think FreeBSD's bootloader tries to handle everything during the boot stage and doesn’t leave any processes for the login screen phase. In my opinion, it would have been better if the login screen loaded faster and ran in parallel with some unrelated processes. This would result in a high-speed boot experience.

there can be some speed improvements made at the stage of init(8) startup

Can you elaborate?

init takes 4 seconds to just start

Are you sure that it is /bin/init itself taking 4 seconds to start or do you mean it is the rc scripts that init launches are taking 4 seconds ?

Have you installed Gnome on your Freebsd?

is it not gnome terminal?

Its not recognised at all on freebsd so i think i cannot even do that

Hi, I'm fine. What about you? I've never installed it on a laptop so I can't help you

My budget is between 120 USD and 240 USD.

Hi everyone, how are you? I am working on a project on FreeBSD. Can you recommend an affordable laptop that is fully supported by FreeBSD? This means that all the hardware features of the laptop should be supported by FreeBSD, as sometimes, due to proprietary drivers, it cannot work with certain modules. Thank you.

This might be of interest to you: https://github.com/FreeBSDFoundation/proj-laptop https://wiki.freebsd.org/Laptops

I find your project interesting. Good luck!

the most wide answer to this date, for that price: a used thinkpad with intel cpu. The T480 could make the job. take a look at bsd-hardware too. Here's the query for the tested T480s: https://bsd-hardware.info/?view=computers&type=Notebook&vendor=Lenovo&model=ThinkPad+T480+%28All%29 and here in the wiki you have a table with more compact view of working and non working laptop components of a large collection of models: https://wiki.freebsd.org/Laptops

This might be of interest to you: https://github.com/FreeBSDFoundation/proj-laptop https://wiki.freebsd.org/Laptops

the most wide answer to this date, for that price: a used thinkpad with intel cpu. The T480 could make the job. take a look at bsd-hardware too. Here's the query for the tested T480s: https://bsd-hardware.info/?view=computers&type=Notebook&vendor=Lenovo&model=ThinkPad+T480+%28All%29 and here in the wiki you have a table with more compact view of working and non working laptop components of a large collection of models: https://wiki.freebsd.org/Laptops

the kernel is entirely different

Doesn't hp support freebsd? Even Apple, which is generally incompatible with everything, partially supports FreeBSD. Perhaps the reason is that macOS itself is based on BSD. 😂

Doesn't hp support freebsd? Even Apple, which is generally incompatible with everything, partially supports FreeBSD. Perhaps the reason is that macOS itself is based on BSD. 😂

That just wrong ...

macos userland is based on fbsd 😂

macos userland is based on fbsd 😂

macos userland is based on fbsd 😂

macos only use some userspace programs from bsd

https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/Darwin/Conceptual/KernelProgramming/BSD/BSD.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP30000905-CH214-TPXREF101 what you said is completely wrong, there are multiple things for macOS kernel taken from bsd, namely some of them are descriptors,memory management, resource management,networking facilities,signals etc

That it technically has parts of the BSD kernel like the IP stack

Ah, my understanding was that xnu is not a bsd kernel

It was based on mach, iirc