I've used freebsd on and off for 20 years. I've not found anything that just works. I would like to be able to use the OS with GUI or not... But I'd like for blue tooth and connections work.

well linux over 20 years and even 15 years ago was just the same !

Yeah but the nature of Unix is that computers are for intelligent people not for people who is it only for social media or games

Therefore usage of Linux or any Unix derivatives are not changing at all

BSD is the souerce of todays giants and still empowering most of the computers*

i disagree on that ! there are stupid people doing stupid things in everyproject out there

I agree

Like Linus firing Russian devs

I am still thinking that this will never be the case for BSD

I dont think if that's actually justified ! what I know for sure is when politics are mixed with software stuff things get really messy

Politics are messy and disgusting

It's the RedHat who did this

To comply with the US sanctions

maybe you are young but it came to my mind IBM and SUN did the same thing in the 90's

I don't know if I'm young but I am at early twenties :))

maybe you are young but it came to my mind IBM and SUN did the same thing in the 90's

I don't know that but Linus tried to justify the incident by saying that he is Finnish

he is finnish ... that's a fact

Hehe

Russians are smart people as far as I know and they started to fork the linux kernel

They are now making their own Linux

that's not new .. ! there are as many linux forks as linux distributions out there

Yeah but I don't know I started to hate Linux nowadays

I dont hate software ! when some code is able to do work for us there is not point on hating the developer

Sure

But the idea behind all Unix philosophy is that the software should always be to free for all maintain

The things Linus has done are against this philosophy

not really ! my father was using some unix solutions in the 80's and 90's an all of those were close source .. nothing related to freedom in any case

Hmm I don't know that

But the idea behind all Unix philosophy is that the software should always be to free for all maintain

Floss philosophy* Unix is another thing

The things Linus has done are against this philosophy

Linus was just complying with sanctions

Although his responses maybe could have been better

My dream... Yeah ... Dream a complete daily freebsd laptop. I've tried multiple times.

it's not impossible i have freebsd as my daily driver and i can do anything on it i need even taxes using proprietary licensed software originally developed for windoes

the only thing that i'm not able to work with is bluetooth but i don't miss it that much tbh

doas pkg update && doas pkg upgrade

wait, freebsd ships doas by default?

wait, freebsd ships doas by default?

Afaik it doesn't

My dream... Yeah ... Dream a complete daily freebsd laptop. I've tried multiple times.

I've used Lenovo x250 , recently changed batteries and it lives 7-8 hours.

I've used Lenovo x250 , recently changed batteries and it lives 7-8 hours.

Original ones or oem replacement batteries?

Original ones or oem replacement batteries?

oem

wait, freebsd ships doas by default?

Nope

It doesn't even do sudo by default

It doesn't even do sudo by default

i know

oem

wow! Can you share which brand/model? (ot but it is fine) Last oem I used only gave 2~3 hours

the only thing that i'm not able to work with is bluetooth but i don't miss it that much tbh

What about battery life? From my short tests with freebsd on a laptop, Linux seems to last longer

well, my battery is not the newest but based on my test I did, battery lasts about 10-15 mins longer than on linux (and around an hour more than win 11)

Ah, nice!

What do you attribute the difference in battery life to? Another desktop environment?

What about battery life? From my short tests with freebsd on a laptop, Linux seems to last longer

It's obvious that Linux has better dynamic frequency scaling (DFS framework), better ACPI support. If you go to FreeBSD talks, you'll hear people talking about network performance or storage performance, not battery performance on mobile devices. As the adoption will increase, you'll get all sort of things like that, along with redhatware too

btw Linux powersaving features are not zero cost

It's obvious that Linux has better dynamic frequency scaling (DFS framework), better ACPI support. If you go to FreeBSD talks, you'll hear people talking about network performance or storage performance, not battery performance on mobile devices. As the adoption will increase, you'll get all sort of things like that, along with redhatware too

network performance heh

network performance heh

Yeah

I've benchmarked FreeBSD, Ubuntu and Alpine on my M3 Pro virtualized in UTM. Rust http app with dynamic HTML render: FreeBSD 800,000 req/s, Ubuntu 600,000 req/s, Alpine 53,000 req/s. Requests driven locally with wrk. I suspect it was down to the memory allocator used. Largely, no. At one point FreeBSD had faster networking but Linux tends to get new hardware enablement code and optimizations sooner. But these differences are marginal

Yeah

freebsd sacrifices security in the name of performance, as has been the case with the openssh bundled with base system and PF and IPFW

i mean i guess it is to be expected as they took their leisure time to get aslr properly working

freebsd sacrifices security in the name of performance, as has been the case with the openssh bundled with base system and PF and IPFW

performance security convenience choose only two

strong cheap fast choose only two

performance security convenience choose only two

we aren't talking about some advanced fancy security stuff, it is basic stuff https://web.archive.org/web/20210319191046/https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-pf/2014-December/007528.html they diverged so much they weren't even able to get multi threading work

https://archive.ph/ogVam even the freebsd's own server admin would rather use openbsd stuff then native freebsd ipfw

https://archive.ph/ogVam even the freebsd's own server admin would rather use openbsd stuff then native freebsd ipfw

I don't understand what are you saying

I don't understand what are you saying

tldr; freebsd's networking stack is a mess

tldr; freebsd's networking stack is a mess

It has alot of legacy mess

I can give you a long list

But then I'll be kicked at my butt from Theo himself defending his old freebeer mate

wait, freebsd ships doas by default?

Nope but OpenBSD does since doas was created by Todd C. Miller (the famous OpenBSD dev also creating sudo) and is still developed by the OpenBSD Project as a whole

Nope but OpenBSD does since doas was created by Todd C. Miller (the famous OpenBSD dev also creating sudo) and is still developed by the OpenBSD Project as a whole

yeah..... guess i should explain why i asked in order to avoid anyone else repeating the same thing in future XD so since sudo is much more popular then doas, i found it interesting that nomad suggested to use doas instead of sudo more so given the person asked what is the equivalent of sudo apt instal in freebsd

yeah..... guess i should explain why i asked in order to avoid anyone else repeating the same thing in future XD so since sudo is much more popular then doas, i found it interesting that nomad suggested to use doas instead of sudo more so given the person asked what is the equivalent of sudo apt instal in freebsd

The reason why nomad suggested you to use doas has two simple reasons: 1. Its a BSD project licensed under ISC license 2. It is much simpler to setup, much smaller and much more maintainable than sudo

The reason why nomad suggested you to use doas has two simple reasons: 1. Its a BSD project licensed under ISC license 2. It is much simpler to setup, much smaller and much more maintainable than sudo

*jesus chRUST

*jesus chRUST

doas is written in C. Cope.

doas is written in C. Cope.

I write in C so the security researchers will always have a job

The reason why nomad suggested you to use doas has two simple reasons: 1. Its a BSD project licensed under ISC license 2. It is much simpler to setup, much smaller and much more maintainable than sudo

honestly, as long as you are not doing any commercial stuff, you shouldn't care about the license as long as the stuff is open source

honestly, as long as you are not doing any commercial stuff, you shouldn't care about the license as long as the stuff is open source

Tell that to RMS lol

Tell that to RMS lol

eh, i like gpl because it make sure that if my software is poor the fork of it can't get rich 😁

Hahaha Imagine a random person bragging about creating legendary malware in languages like Delphi, only to be publicly exposed by the real creator in a live stream

I write in C so the security researchers will always have a job

Well I certainly dont care so much about licensing but I still prefer BSD licensed software because it better covers the 4 foundational software freedoms as defined by the FSF

I write in C so the security researchers will always have a job

Good for you.

Well I certainly dont care so much about licensing but I still prefer BSD licensed software because it better covers the 4 foundational software freedoms as defined by the FSF

I use ISC in my everything these days

I use ISC in my everything these days

Also a based license

i also listen to darknet diaries btw

i also listen to darknet diaries btw

Heard mobman 2

Heard mobman 2

not that ep

i liked the encrochat one