Anonymous
Mikhail
Anonymous
well philosophically saying, the UNIX philosophy is being adhered to less and less, example being systemd
Anonymous
Indeed linux has become an enterprise software
I don't think thats bad, but you have to go to lenghts to remove mainstream or enterprise stuff you don't like, like systemd
Anonymous
Hello, I have a question about bsd. I am a Normal user with infornatic formation. I can't use hardenedbsd/FreeBSD without getting mad? I would like to have the most safe reliable and debloated OS. My aim is reading pdf, writing on word, surf the web.
Reading the FAQ and guide on website I could "survive"?
Last thing, I found a guide to switch from openssl to libressl on wiki, this would break compatibility of software in repositories? Thanks in advance and excuse me for my newieness XD 🤗
> I would like to have the most safe reliable and debloated OS.
> My aim is reading pdf, writing on word, surf the web
you can only choose one, or if you want both, be prepared to compile a lot from prots, since its the only way to reliably avoid bloat, installing binary packages will bring all the bloat back
Anonymous
Adding more stuff that don't matter to most of people
they can disabled or removed from the kernel entirely if you don't like
swodig
> I would like to have the most safe reliable and debloated OS.
> My aim is reading pdf, writing on word, surf the web
you can only choose one, or if you want both, be prepared to compile a lot from prots, since its the only way to reliably avoid bloat, installing binary packages will bring all the bloat back
Why do binary packages bring the bloat back???
Q
Why do binary packages bring the bloat back???
Because compiling from source allows to choose what you compile and to strip down softwares
swodig
Because compiling from source allows to choose what you compile and to strip down softwares
do you really consider that bloat?
Q
It is since it also brings a lot of unneeded dependencies
Q
For example I don't need accessibility features, it is included in Firefox binary releases but I can disable it when I compile it myself
swodig
It is since it also brings a lot of unneeded dependencies
not if the binary allows optional dependencies
i don't think many extra features require compile time dependency
Q
not if the binary allows optional dependencies
i don't think many extra features require compile time dependency
Well, it is about runtime dependencies
swodig
Well, it is about runtime dependencies
you can choose not to install them. if the software is made well it won't crash
Q
swodig
take zathura for example. it has several optional dependencies in the binary release in arch repos
Q
take zathura for example. it has several optional dependencies in the binary release in arch repos
They are modules, not optional dependencies as in "runtime dependency"
Bendis
Fred BSD for smartphone????
Anonymous
Because compiling from source allows to choose what you compile and to strip down softwares
Must be have good hardware
Anonymous
Must be have good hardware
no kidding, forget about compiling chromium in less than 12 hours unless you're sporting an i7
Δαρθ
and yet during default install slackware is unable to make bootable disk on virtio drive )
Anonymous
> They have their own patches for everything including Kernel, KDE and..
https://docs.slackware.com/slackware:philosophy:
"A distribution that prefers to package “vanilla” software or software that hasn't been modified from upstream development. Little or no patching is done to upstream software and as a result, the software found in Slackware works as closely to what was intended by the original creators as practically possible."
Anonymous
🇵🇸🍉
What does freebsd use as init system
Bedreddin
Hello, I am having trouble with AMD/ATI HD 3450 graphics card. What can I do to resolve these errors?
Bedreddin
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I suggest you try installing and configuring drm-kmod and xf86-video-ati manually
ɴꙩᴍᴀᴅ
And then tweak xorg in a 20-radeon.conf file at usr/local/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
Bedreddin
thank you
Bedreddin
Jaco
Well, by my millionth install of FreeBSD, i was finally successful in setting up a full desktop. the feeling is like successfully installing Arch, but better!😁😅
Anonymous
Nice wallpaper
https://github.com/furybsd-legacy/furybsd-wallpapers/blob/master/fury_road.png
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https://www.freebsd.org/status/report-2021-07-2021-09/
Interesting report from this summer on the FreeBSD project progress (:
Anonymous
Well, by my millionth install of FreeBSD, i was finally successful in setting up a full desktop. the feeling is like successfully installing Arch, but better!😁😅
you should try GhostBSD and hit it on the first shot.
Frederick
Thanks 🤗
Jaco
you should try GhostBSD and hit it on the first shot.
I do have GhostBSD on a separate desktop, trouble was i am too inexperienced for 14-current😊well in short😅
D.M
I do have GhostBSD on a separate desktop, trouble was i am too inexperienced for 14-current😊well in short😅
Slack 14 is the stable version, the current version is 15. Slack is still gnu-linux, it changes the way you manage your business.
Jaco
Jaco
Other guy was talking about Slackware
Jaco
slack 14 was released in 2016.
I had trouble with FreeBSD14-current, so i installed FreeBSD13-release. Nowhere did i mention Slackware. It's possible you have me confused with @RSKYS
D.M
Jaco
That's why i went for it but it didn't work well for my hardware or i am too inexperienced. I am happy with FreeBSD13😊
D.M
Slack is a solid rock, always talking about the stable version obviously
Jaco
Jaco
thanks!😊
Anonymous
I'm guessing FreeBSD current is sort of bleeding edge?
Jaco
The theming looks amazing!
Anonymous
anyone get hellosystem to install ?
Elbit0r
anyone get hellosystem to install ?
I'm try on my Lenovo x220 run wheel but PKG system not work
Anonymous
I'm try on my Lenovo x220 run wheel but PKG system not work
so in your opinion it's a piece of crap ?
Arminio
https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=b014e0f15bc73d80ef49b64fd1f8c29f469467cb
Arminio
Oh wow, FreeBSD getting ASLR by default
XS
oh, nice
XS
such a simple commit, ASRL seems to have been there for a while
XS
I don't yet get why it was not enabled sooner, maybe related to HardenedBSD work ?
XS
oh ok, it's there https://wiki.freebsd.org/ASLR
Krond
Something happened in the russian group?
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Evgeny
No really, what happened to cause this influx?
poll from this channel was announced in freebsd_ru
Jaco
Ufs or zfs ?
I went with ZFS😊I thought it might impact the performance alot but actually it's quite snappy. I still use HDD
Anonymous
Anonymous
I stayed with ufs. auto drive allocation in zfs makes home large and /usr/local to small. for small drives.
Jaco
I stayed with ufs. auto drive allocation in zfs makes home large and /usr/local to small. for small drives.
I have 1TB😊i thought about UFS because laptop battery is strong but i like the snapshot and rollback features with beadm or bectl
Jaco
UFS also seems a bit faster but i am not knowledgeable enough to know if it's a fact
Anonymous
I tried openbsd on 40 Gig drive over wrote /usr/local. forgive me feed me to a pigmy.
K
Jaco
I run ZFS on both of my laptops
My hardware is not good though😅ZFS is awesome yes, still have lots to learn about it