Anonymous
Off-topic chat https://t.me/freebsd_offtopics @freebsd_offtopics Community on topic chat https://t.me/FreeBSD1 @FreeBSD1 Community channel https://t.me/FreeBSD @FreeBSD
XADE
chat is getting toxic for no reason
Badugar
Badugar
I don't see the point of using ZFS in a normal desktop, sure home server or enterprise makes sense, I picked UFS and never had any problems so far
People do store backups of their devices' files on their desktop-machines, for example. A simple zfs create -o dedup=on nameofdataset does the job other software needs a long setup for.
Badugar
If asking for help about ZFS here is so bad, present an UFS-based solution. 🤷‍♂
ɴꙩᴍᴀᴅ
Asking for help about ZFS is not bad. As I usually like to let people free to voice what they think about stuff, situations like the one about ZFS we have had eariler, can happen. However, the idea of groups and forums is to make constructive knowledge, not to bias about things just because. If further discussions don't change paths in here and start following a constructive way, I'm going to start silencing people. And I hate to do that. So please, discuss what you want (FreeBSD related) but in a constructive way (:
Anonymous
That was funny. I remember SCO's website was hacked.
OK, what does that have to with the discussion? Its my username, I don't represent the company
Anonymous
If asking for help about ZFS here is so bad, present an UFS-based solution. 🤷‍♂
I won't, because I never said that getting help about ZFS is bad I was criticizing the fact that people seem to recommend ZFS for every single use case and me being called "ignorant" for not using it
Badugar
And my guess is that this command creates a snapshot of the dataset?
No, it enables deduplication at the block layer
Anonymous
Krond
No, same data is stored only once (if alignment matches).
Krond
If you drop one file in two subdirs with dedup it will take space only once.
Badugar
And a small reference will be set at the place the deduped block would be written
Badugar
Perfect for backups
arfian
I've installed FreeBSD13 on my machine. Happy to see you all....
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arfian
Awesome! As a server or as desktop?
On a Vbox actually and I have one at vps server
ɴꙩᴍᴀᴅ
arfian
arfian
Cool!
Thank you, Happy to see you here.
arfian
I wanted to install SSL on my web. I've tried many times and failed. i'm using certbot and I choose standalone method, do I have to stop my apache first when I prefer stabdalone method?
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Cross shared from OpenBSD group: https://twitter.com/FreeBSDHelp/status/1445288426907918336?t=hFD_w2CpdUpEqxR-wQArYQ&s=09 https://mobile.twitter.com/FreeBSDHelp/status/1445288936847261698
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Seems like we are going to see some progress on Realtek wireless firmware in the near future on FreeBSD too (:
Anonymous
Realtek cards do not work on FreeBSD?
Is there anything that actually works on bsd?
Anonymous
Anonymous
Anonymous
BSD is cool
arfian
Do they have a list of wireless supported hardware on Realtek?
Anonymous
Is there anything that actually works on bsd?
It does, though you'll have to check if its supported
Anonymous
Seems like we are going to see some progress on Realtek wireless firmware in the near future on FreeBSD too (:
I'm guessing Ethernet hardware is supported very well, since theo de raat has made advocacy efforts?
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Do they have a list of wireless supported hardware on Realtek?
You can filter them out of this list I guess: https://www.freebsd.org/releases/13.0R/hardware/
ɴꙩᴍᴀᴅ
Realtek cards do not work on FreeBSD?
Some of them may work, I'm not sure if by reverse engineering or by official Realtek support on older devices
Anonymous
How's the state of steam on bsd? I haven't been following it recently
kub-kun
How's the state of steam on bsd? I haven't been following it recently
Well you can run steam on freebsd via homura and play older games
kub-kun
on obsd and nbsd it dosent work
Anonymous
on obsd and nbsd it dosent work
There are some native games like: - Wesnoth - MegaGlest - Xonotic ....
Anonymous
Those are not need to Steam or ... .
Anonymous
How's the state of steam on bsd? I haven't been following it recently
If you want to game, I suggest dual booting windows, gaming on Unixes is mostly limited
Anonymous
No, I'm mostly interested in experimenting
If you're familiar with Unix and want your system to behave like one, you'll feel right at home
ɴꙩᴍᴀᴅ
No, I'm mostly interested in experimenting
https://t.me/FreeBSD/30 There was some progress earlier this year. I didn't check it this last months but that link may help
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Improving Security of the FreeBSD boot process | Michal Stanek The talk describes recent security additions in the FreeBSD boot process. TPM 2.0 devices are now supported in FreeBSD. They are most often referred to in the context of measured boot, i.e. secure measurements and attestation of all images in the boot chain. The TPM 2.0 specification defines versatile HSM devices which can also strengthen security of various other parts of your system. We will describe the basic features of TPM and mention some caveats and shortcomings which may have contributed to its limited adoption. The presentation will include practical TPM use cases such as hardening Strongswan IPSec tunnels by signing with the TPM and locking in secrets to a particular boot hash chain. The second part of the talk will describe UEFI Secure Boot support in the FreeBSD loader and kernel. [...] https://www.bsdcan.org/2019/schedule/events/1070.en.html
Steve
I just created a bootable flash stick with the i386 version of 12.2 to install on an Acer netbook. I created with UNETBOOTIN. I get a menu that shows default. When it tries to load the kernel, it doesn't load. Any other boot options I should be adding? I can't get past the boot menu. It doen not give me an error but keeps trying.
Swagat
May be you should download the usb bootable version of the freebsd
Steve
May be you should download the usb bootable version of the freebsd
The memstick image is smaller isn't it? I used the larger iso.
Swagat
And in the download link they are clearly mentioned for memstick
Anonymous
anyone know the passwords for midnightBSD in VBox
Anonymous
nevermind
Anonymous
For those of you that use FreeBSD on desktop daily, which DE do you prefer? I’m coming from Debian XFCE. Any general suggestions?
Anonymous
I'm also curious, what are your primary reasons for using BSD (and specifically FreeBSD) over Linux? License and project ethos? More uniformity? ZFS?
Guillermo
I love XFCE
Guillermo
Reason: Community
Jackie
I have been using Linux (Xfce4 as DE too) for years, just started to try out FreeBSD days ago. Wouldn't say I am that satisfied yet.
Jackie
What are your first impressions?
Simple to config, but not for beginners.
Jackie
But I do realize there are problems I wouldn't have encountered if I was still using Linux though🤦🏻‍♂
Anonymous
For those of you that use FreeBSD on desktop daily, which DE do you prefer? I’m coming from Debian XFCE. Any general suggestions?
I suggest you go with the ports instead of binary packages if you want more customizability options
Anonymous
he asked for DE
*Fixed the window manager part
Anonymous
I'm also curious, what are your primary reasons for using BSD (and specifically FreeBSD) over Linux? License and project ethos? More uniformity? ZFS?
1- it feels like an actual UNIX instead of an impression of it like Linux is 2- clang and llvm as the default toolchain 3- tcsh has straightforward customization and instead of it trying to be a swiss army knife like bash, it doesn't care about POSIX and has it's own scripting syntax If you wanna run POSIX shell scripts use sh 4- clean seperation of third part software in /usr/local from the software provided by freebsd 5- top notch documentation 6- freebsd project provides a complete basic OS, that is the kernel and basic userland utilities, you'll feel like freebsd has a complete structure when you start adding third party software to it, with Linux it feels like things are glued together, you have the Linux kernel with either gnucore-utils or busybox, each with their own documentation separate from the Linux kernel