Arminio

yes.

Anonymous

but the documentation mention xorg.conf....

Krond

Old documentation.

Arminio

Xorg is decades old, many decades.

Anonymous

then I understand that there is anybody updating documentation....right?

Arminio

It would totally be possible to display GIFs on it, I think just the messenger would have to add support for it. It already displays nice coloured stickers and it scrolls pretty damn fast and responsive.

Arminio

then I understand that there is anybody updating documentation....right?

Well over all these years, there were changes. It could well be that someone overlooked to update the documentation. If you find such a thing, update the docs yourself and make a contribution.

Anonymous

Well over all these years, there were changes. It could well be that someone overlooked to update the documentation. If you find such a thing, update the docs yourself and make a contribution.

ok, thank you

Arminio

Also what Relitticon said. xorg.conf is, just in fact, still being used. It's just generated automatically on startup and you can put things in your own xorg.conf file in your filesystem to override what was generated.

Anonymous

it seams that it is reading it from /usr/....

Arminio

Basically people at some point in time just wanted Xorg to goddamn start and present a useable desktop in favor of X not starting up at all.

Krond

There are many places. Historically it was /etc/X11

Krond

(If someone remembers times before Xorg)

Anonymous

it is strange that FreeBSD is being used by many companies even with an outdated documentation...and at the same time I feel confidence about it...:-)

Anonymous

There are many places. Historically it was /etc/X11

if i m not mistaken it has always been /usr/local/etc for ports n packages in freebsd n other bsd variants...

Krond

At least it works the way it's written in docs…

Krond

You know, XF86 was part of some BSDs.

Krond

Dog

Every one in every where............. Merry Christmas! cheers brothers!

Anonymous

hey guys. i would like to add an bsd to my system, do you have a good tutorial to install bsd onto a luks volume? like chroot in linux? thanks!

Алик Сережевич

Man bsdinstall

Anonymous

the installer is able to use luks? i dont believe that xD

Anonymous

there is no single one installer for linux which is able to do that...

Arminio

Greetings from #36c3

Anonymous

🖐️✋

Dog

Happy 2020! Crank that Metal On! 🤟💀🤟

Arminio

I can send you some via snail mail

Slava

Thank you 👹

Dog

Development Release: Project Trident Void Beta http://distrowatch.com/10788 The Project Trident team have published their second development snapshot which uses Void as its base. Past versions of Project Trident have been based on TrueOS and this new beta snapshot expands the features Trident can provide on its new base. "What is new since the alpha image?....

Dog

Development Release: Project Trident Void Beta http://distrowatch.com/10788 The Project Trident team have published their second development snapshot which uses Void as its base. Past versions of Project Trident have been based on TrueOS and this new beta snapshot expands the features Trident can provide on its new base. "What is new since the alpha image?....

Arminio

I've talked to Ken Moore from the Trident Project and he seems to be pretty nice.

Arminio

He also said that ZFS is a bit of going nowhere right now in FreeBSD

Arminio

And I'm really interested about this. What's the current state of it? I was planning to use ZFS on FreeBSD for a fileserver lately.

Dog

I thought FreeBSD was already working with ZFS

Dog

https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/zfs.html

Arminio

I thought FreeBSD was already working with ZFS

Of course it does, I use it every day.

Arminio

But the Linux ZFS implementation is in heavy development while ZFS on FreeBSD isn't that much it seems?

Arminio

Not sure - I hear that quite often in the recent past

Arminio

I have no issues with ZFS on FreeBSD

Anonymous

zfs is workin great on freebsd...now they are tryin openzfs ...the person whose in charge of zfs is alan jude

Krond

The problem behind ZFS was that FreeBSD and Linux version had common upstream that was falling behind. A lot of fixes was never making it into other side. So it was decided to join forces with ZoL to share code and patches.

Dog

that's great to hear different points of view, thanks for sharing.

Anonymous

that's great to hear different points of view, thanks for sharing.

https://youtu.be/gmaHZBwDKho....alan jude explaination....

Dog

https://youtu.be/gmaHZBwDKho....alan jude explaination....

thanks!

Anonymous

thanks!

👌

Arminio

Sticker on the laptop said "Optimized for Windows XP (or better)", so I installed FreeBSD on it.

tim

I honestly think FreeBSD should stick to illumos ZFS instead of pulling ZoL

Anonymous

I honestly think FreeBSD should stick to illumos ZFS instead of pulling ZoL

The number of commits to ZFS from Linux developers has been massive.....i think that is one of the reasons....

tim

i know that

Anonymous

n illumos then moved to DelphixOS. However, Delphix have now announced they are moving to the Linux port.

Anonymous

n so on....

tim

but ZFS is one of the main reasons for FreeBSD

tim

migrating to ZFS on Linux might cause people to think "why even use FreeBSD?"

tim

when there is a up to date Linux version

tim

And Linux has a bit more support in terms of user basis and hardware

tim

n illumos then moved to DelphixOS. However, Delphix have now announced they are moving to the Linux port.

so, this marks the end of the OpenZFS(illumos) path?

Anonymous

many reasons why ppl use freebsd....besides zfs....which is integrated....

Anonymous

progress on illumos is slow....

tim

many reasons why ppl use freebsd....besides zfs....which is integrated....

yeah but the "killer features" have just disappeared over the last couple of years

Anonymous

FreeBSD can bundle it in the installer, and put the root filesystem in a ZFS dataset. Because of GPL incompatibility with the CDDL, Linux cannot do this. A compliant installer must put root on something else, usually ext4 or xfs. A Linux installer iso putting root in a zfs dataset opens a terrible legal door.

tim

Canonical is already offering ZFS via the installer

Anonymous

Canonical is already offering ZFS via the installer

https://fudzilla.com/news/50106-torvalds-warns-against-oracle-module.....but is it in the kernel....accordin to this, linus x not agree

Anonymous

this is good....https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2018-December/072430.html

Anonymous

n this....https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2018-December/072422.html

tim

When I started with FreeBSD in 2012-13 I was told that FreeBSD network stack is much more advanced. With linux 5.0(?) this advantages has become very small. Jails was considered a big advantage but the Linux community™ has docker by now. Linux emulation was a big thing but is hopelessly outdated by now. Some folks are telling me that no systemd is a big advantege but that's just autistic. I have seen only a handfull of sysadmins using a non-systemd OS bc of systemd. Some implementation details are nice compared to Linux like limiting closed-port-responses or some sane default behavious but again mostly sysadmins dont care enough to make a switch. The only real reason is like the license itself bc GPL can make software completly useless.

tim

n this....https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2018-December/072422.html

ty, i'll read it soon (kinda tired rn)

tim

When I started with FreeBSD in 2012-13 I was told that FreeBSD network stack is much more advanced. With linux 5.0(?) this advantages has become very small. Jails was considered a big advantage but the Linux community™ has docker by now. Linux emulation was a big thing but is hopelessly outdated by now. Some folks are telling me that no systemd is a big advantege but that's just autistic. I have seen only a handfull of sysadmins using a non-systemd OS bc of systemd. Some implementation details are nice compared to Linux like limiting closed-port-responses or some sane default behavious but again mostly sysadmins dont care enough to make a switch. The only real reason is like the license itself bc GPL can make software completly useless.

i mean noone can tell me that Nintendo+Sony used FreeBSD because they ported the drivers from Linux so perfectly

tim

Or need the ZFS on their consoles

tim

i still like freebsd tho

tim

just under the impression that it might get less and less relevant over the next years