Eliab/Andi
For sure - actually I prefer deb pkgs 😛 I'm aware that BSD is always a process. But working to get it more smoother like better hw integration is always a big step
Álvaro
I'm not sure to switch fully to FreeBSD
Nope, if you uses Docker, Steam, gparted, network GUI tools, ncurses make menuconfig to compile custom kernel, uefi better support, package manager with rollback support and more no uses Linux
Алик Сережевич
Алик Сережевич
Álvaro
4 freebsd u wont need to have sex with syatemd
Systemd is not bad. I don't need declare function to creates service likes SysV or upstart
Álvaro
And its works nice with cgroups and kernel namespaces
Krond
Everyone has something to say about systemd...
Krond
It's not easy to upgrade it when you have security issue. Mind the downtime.
Álvaro
Everyone has something to say about systemd...
However, a lot of Linux distributions choosen systemd when they can choose another likes runit
Krond
It supersedes or does thing differently for a lot of subsystems.
Krond
It has a lot of limitations despite the number of stuff integrated there.
Krond
And the way runit does rc...
Álvaro
maybe its not portable, but I don't understand why a lot of people tells something about systemd and main projects choosen as main init system. because they can feel free choose whatever you want
Álvaro
Always thing built by human is vulnerable or does have issues... that's human's built
Krond
because inetd existed for ages with ability to run processes with socket activation, but you need to link to systemd to do so.
Álvaro
Today is systemd, maybe tomorrow is RunC lol
Krond
because launchd does that stuff so much simpler and in a more compatible way.
Krond
what exactly? working for ages without issues?
Eliab/Andi
Nope, if you uses Docker, Steam, gparted, network GUI tools, ncurses make menuconfig to compile custom kernel, uefi better support, package manager with rollback support and more no uses Linux
Mhh Steam can be used on Win. I've got a dual boot with Win and Linux at the moment. Haven't tested Steam on BSD yet. For me sytemd and init have their own favour. Pros and cons as well. Anyhow freedom would be to choose if u want systemd or init
Álvaro
what exactly? working for ages without issues?
Search always thing to improve in all topics. What happens if humans stayed in carbon industry and don't forward to looking for an alternatives likes eolic or solar energy? Maybe dies before because these people increases a lot of CO2 gas to the atmosphere... However, new tech was born...
Álvaro
The same as computer science, systemd will be does has got an issues. But, why main Linux distros has choosen it?
Krond
improvement doesn't need to be overcomplicated. Unix philosophy always implied working with simple yet powerful tools.
Krond
Why Linux has chosen it reminds me the history of the Linux sound system.
Krond
First it was OSS.
Krond
Then ALSA.
Krond
Then esound.
Krond
Then different path diverged and they had jack and other stuff.
Krond
And finally they are with.. what was it name?
Krond
Another monstrous framework done from scratch without fixing previous issues, without in-kernel sound mixing... etc. Google already dumped it from Android.
Eliab/Andi
@krond one Point I'm not amused is that In Ubuntu and Fedora focus on their Flatpaks or Snaps.... Replacing it from original pkgs deb or rpm. Personally , I want to install pkgs...and know what I'm going to install
Krond
"Why Linux choose that" is "because they got nothing else fixing their issues".
Álvaro
But you can choose whatever you want
Álvaro
likes freebsd
Krond
And that's the point. Ripping off systemd from linux distro is a pain. Switching to different RC in BSD world - pretty doable.
Krond
You can have runit as process 1, it's in ports. You can have OpenRC. You can write whatever you want.
Álvaro
Nobody put in your head a magnum and tells uses Linux with systemd or die. You have a lot of many alternatives to use
Eliab/Andi
You can have runit as process 1, it's in ports. You can have OpenRC. You can write whatever you want.
+1 - BSD seems more open and stand for stability. Many firms are using BSD systems. Anyhow BSD is criticized for its bad HW support sometimes
Álvaro
+1 - BSD seems more open and stand for stability. Many firms are using BSD systems. Anyhow BSD is criticized for its bad HW support sometimes
Linux would be more inestability, however, a lot of companies trust on it, pay to support it, and top500.org, all servers uses it. I think would be get unstability, but, It's changes always, always you can get a new solutions to issues, to better infraestructure, drivers support...etc I cannot boot PC-BSD for example in my laptop with UEFI support enabled because does not get a readibily screen in tty; or uses NVIDIA Optimus or nouveau driver, or uses STEAM without takes setup a Linux compatibility support; or uses ZFS spending more RAM because UFS it's too old and slow. The problem when you are in the "secure way", no more changes, no more features added without test a lot of this software per years ago... before to give flag as stable and after add to "stable software". It's does not work in this age. Why Linux is more popular and get a lot of invest? Because it's more changeable. Why FreeBSD still uses text to configure a kernel? why you have to looking for howtos of people apport more info here about compile options than the main documentation FreeBSD Handbook? Or why does not have end PAE support for years ago or virtualization platform?... because follows secure way...
Eliab/Andi
Linux would be more inestability, however, a lot of companies trust on it, pay to support it, and top500.org, all servers uses it. I think would be get unstability, but, It's changes always, always you can get a new solutions to issues, to better infraestructure, drivers support...etc I cannot boot PC-BSD for example in my laptop with UEFI support enabled because does not get a readibily screen in tty; or uses NVIDIA Optimus or nouveau driver, or uses STEAM without takes setup a Linux compatibility support; or uses ZFS spending more RAM because UFS it's too old and slow. The problem when you are in the "secure way", no more changes, no more features added without test a lot of this software per years ago... before to give flag as stable and after add to "stable software". It's does not work in this age. Why Linux is more popular and get a lot of invest? Because it's more changeable. Why FreeBSD still uses text to configure a kernel? why you have to looking for howtos of people apport more info here about compile options than the main documentation FreeBSD Handbook? Or why does not have end PAE support for years ago or virtualization platform?... because follows secure way...
It's true BSD has some more tricky issues. I remember having an issue with my Broadcom WiFi driver and finally I replaced due Atheros. It's true companies trust in Linux or Debian for server. Likewise I am in a freelancer company which Apple is foreward. But personally I use my Linux lap and Android devices. Actually it would be interesting doing a 30day challenge on BSD. As you said ZFS has pros and cons personally I like ZFS.
Álvaro
It's true BSD has some more tricky issues. I remember having an issue with my Broadcom WiFi driver and finally I replaced due Atheros. It's true companies trust in Linux or Debian for server. Likewise I am in a freelancer company which Apple is foreward. But personally I use my Linux lap and Android devices. Actually it would be interesting doing a 30day challenge on BSD. As you said ZFS has pros and cons personally I like ZFS.
Sometimes, l like get information of FreeBSD status because I like id (despite I said before.) I was using 1 year in 2010 with 9.0-CURRENT, I got in loved with it. I was testing X.org new versions with PC-BSD team to report bugs, reported a bugs of ports software in general. In the end, I made a dvorak spanish keyboard map because It didn't exist. Yup, I was happy hacking remapping all keys to made a keymap and upload into FreeBSD! https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/share/syscons/keymaps/spanish.dvorak.kbd?view=markup&pathrev=235251 I was made it. However, I surprised by FreeBSD team. Because they removed my credits in my file (I had uploaded and approved before). So... I understand as BSD license is more open but give more dead of code. Because I spent a time to contributing on develop of it keymap without gets money. Just It was a love, I would liked see my name today, because any people uses Spanish dvorak keyboard could be see the time spent by me these day to do work for him/her to get a keymap addapted...
Álvaro
And this file it's credits clean in previous releases ...
Álvaro
Oh,... sorry !!! https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/release/12.1.0/share/syscons/keymaps/spanish.dvorak.kbd?revision=354337&view=markup That's maintain my name here ! :D
Álvaro
I will be remove I said before lol
Álvaro
I was made a first spanish community too http://freebsdspain.blogspot.com lol
Álvaro
Cool! I can speak and understand Spanish:)
Nice! :D You have a mate to speak Spanish #whateveryouwant
Eliab/Andi
Nice! :D You have a mate to speak Spanish #whateveryouwant
:) that's cool! :D it's always an honour to improve and to learn my Spanish skills
Joseph
friends I want to install freebsd but I need a link to see how you can and then install dwm help me
Dog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZaZjK-cOYc
Anonymous
friends I want to install freebsd but I need a link to see how you can and then install dwm help me
A good place to look at : https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/
Krond
Heck, I'm with ZFS since 2007. And beleive me, it's not a memory hog right now as it used to be. You can boot up and work on i386/512Mb nowadays without major issues.
Eliab/Andi
Going to start a 30 day challenge FreeBSD
Eliab/Andi
Haha
Arminio
I'm the guy who prefers writing 500 lines of bash over 10 lines of systemd Unit-Files btw. :-)
Krond
5 lines of make for me.
Eliab/Andi
Is it easy to help on BSD
Anonymous
furybsd...booting from live usb
Anonymous
Arminio
5 lines works for me hhaha
Until it doesn't haha
Joseph
Until it doesn't haha
good morning friend I have a thinkpad l412 laptop and I want to know if formatting I do it with zfs?
Joseph
Install freebsd
Joseph
That is what I do
How many partitions should I do?
Eliab/Andi