Stas'M
Win32k can't work in headless mode yet
Anonymous
jamie@
Windows is able to boot headless with no win32k at all
jamie@
so
Stas'M
but no win32k means no usermode apps, isn't it?
Anonymous
Windows is able to boot headless with no win32k at all
WIndows Server does it, but it's not like it's an useful OS
Anonymous
but no win32k means no usermode apps, isn't it?
Well no win32k isn't even a funny experiment, tbh we're adding stuff to ROS for 20+ years, why removing one useful one lmao
Anonymous
jamie@
jamie@
lol
Anonymous
Anonymous
Anonymous
this meme never gets old
rosbridge
<BieHDC> thats not a meme, that just a dude who burned the ros iso on a cd and used lightscribe for the front (edited)
Anonymous
<BieHDC> thats not a meme, that just a dude who burned the ros iso on a cd and used lightscribe for the front (edited)
I would like so hard to get a Lightscribe capable disc, because iirc if you lightscribe a cheap disk with stuff written on it, it gets hard
Jochen
rosbridge
<BieHDC> you cant lightscribe a normal disk because it lacks the identifiers and lineups
Anonymous
<BieHDC> you cant lightscribe a normal disk because it lacks the identifiers and lineups
they aren't mass produced anymore sadly
Camarada Gato
jamie@
well, SFU 3.5 might run on ROS some day or never
jamie@
depends if it boots on NTFS or moves away from NT 5.2 first
rosbridge
<hbelusca> Here! is your posix subsystem! (stubs) https://git.reactos.org/?p=reactos.git;a=commit;h=2ca9fcd3b05993076cffbe89b0daacbd27c90f54
rosbridge
<hbelusca> and there: https://sourceforge.net/projects/winntposix/
Anonymous
depends if it boots on NTFS or moves away from NT 5.2 first
We won't get NTFS on ROS as it's so shit on Windows anyway
hacker12455
ReactOS aims for Windows compatibility
Stas'M
ReactOS can be booted with MS ntldr from NTFS
jamie@
hbelusca:
jamie@
m i d i p i x
jamie@
again
Anonymous
We actually do
Yeah, it can I know that, but it'll never make it's way to a proper ISO
jamie@
m i d i p i x
Stas'M
M1D1P1X
Mark
We won't get NTFS on ROS as it's so shit on Windows anyway
You are wrong every time you say something
Mark
Do you do this on purpose?
hacker12455
Probably yes
Anonymous
However, it's not like NTFS is what we want tbh
jamie@
NTFS is a relatively sane, reliable and extensible file system that aged pretty well
Anonymous
Anonymous
File fragmentation is still a thing on Windows, when on Linux it clearly isn't
jamie@
yeah something newer might have some niceties, but NTFS itself is very far from being broken
jamie@
what even are you saying there
Anonymous
I need to defrag NTFS partitions quite often, but HFS+ and ext4 are much more resilient to fragmentation
Stas'M
I need to defrag NTFS partitions quite often, but HFS+ and ext4 are much more resilient to fragmentation
I'd suggest you to read wikipedia about fragmentation, and why defragmentation is needed
Stas'M
spoiler: it doesn't depend on filesystem
Stas'M
(exceptions: read-only filesystems) 😏
Anonymous
spoiler: it doesn't depend on filesystem
Well, it mainly does, then why tests have been done showing NTFS and FAT32 being weaker than ext4 or HFS+ ?
jamie@
jamie@
why are you adding the FS to this
Anonymous
Less resilient to fragmentation
Anonymous
And less SSD friendly
jamie@
in the worst case, it can be an issue in a particular implementation of a given file system driver
Chungy
HFS+ is the worst file system in the world
Chungy
And e4defrag exists for a reason
Mark
what even are you saying there
You can basically ignore everything he says, since it is always uninformed and almost always plain wrong
Anonymous
HFS+ is the worst file system in the world
It's bad, yeah, but saying that it's the worst is a bold understatement
Anonymous
We got past the FAT32 limitations, BTRFS support is pretty much experimental, but I find it more stable overall than the older FAT32
Eris
It's bad, yeah, but saying that it's the worst is a bold understatement
everything you're saying is a bold understatement and consists purely of bullshit
Eris
i honestly would shut the fuck up if someone else tries to make me realize what blatant crap i've been saying
Anonymous
NTFS has got many revisions, but NTFS for Windows 10 isn't even funny to look at, it's the same old roots, and ROS will probably never get it anyway, as it's closed source, needs a lot of reverse engineering
Anonymous
i honestly would shut the fuck up if someone else tries to make me realize what blatant crap i've been saying
I'm not only saying shit.
Anonymous
Is saying that FSes play a role for file fragmentation is right.
Eris
NTFS has got many revisions, but NTFS for Windows 10 isn't even funny to look at, it's the same old roots, and ROS will probably never get it anyway, as it's closed source, needs a lot of reverse engineering
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS-3G
i'm sorry, what were you saying again?
Anonymous
Well, the fact that it's open source doesn't make it suitable for ROS
Anonymous
It's experimental + unoptimized so there's still hard work to do, what we want is more important stuff, like Vgal's work, and extravert's work.