Now I am doing this properly?

<BieHDC> you cant @-us, its disabled and you would need to know the tagnr

Now I am doing this properly?

@matterbridge_1_bot <BieHDC>

no, it doesnt work

no, it doesnt work

Okay, I will install KVIrc

;D

Okay, I will install KVIrc

I don't think KVIrc supports Discord protocol

no, it doesnt work

where are you sitting?

I am on IRC

<BieHDC> discord

<BieHDC> i see you through our mirror :D IRC - tijesefBOTheute um 18:56 Uhr tijesef: BieHDC, well I see it's better to use IRC

<BieHDC> i see you through our mirror :D IRC - tijesefBOTheute um 18:56 Uhr tijesef: BieHDC, well I see it's better to use IRC

Have you seen my post?

<BieHDC> i see you through our mirror :D IRC - tijesefBOTheute um 18:56 Uhr tijesef: BieHDC, well I see it's better to use IRC

It's translation

<BieHDC> we see replies like this well you still need to PROPERLY translate posts to English (re @​​matterbridge1bot: <BieHDC> an english mirror of the vk group would be nice 😄)

a screenshot would be nice, otherwise cool to know you still get to see the replies

a screenshot would be nice, otherwise cool to know you still get to see the replies

we see like this

neato

we see like this

Am I just a BOT for you? ;(

That hurts

That hurts

Well you are a cat

Well you are a cat

A cat is fine too...

A cat is fine too...

Not in that sense?

Not in that sense?

^ oh no, not you again

Any of you tried using Multisystem to run ReactOS off of a usb? I think it uses Firadisk to emulate a disk so it doesn't crash, I think.

I tried it nope.

Also it'd be sad if he downloaded w2k or wrk src somewhere.

Lets stop making FUD and empty assumptions. There are tons of legal ways to code a PNP manager without stepping into illegal ways

Fyi, we have a Bot that is testing today tons of NT* APIs which are not publicy documented

And it was done in a total legal way

By listening the driver or the apis

And learning which parameters is receiving and which behavior is expected (returned values)

So you can code it as a Blackbox (Params In and Results Out)

Add to that information abot how the Plug And Play Manager works

(Publicy available in MSDN and Osdev sites)

And done

We have enough with non-community guys saying and spreading nosenses...so lets be clever here

And it was done in a total legal way

That's nice ☺️

Just 2cents: If ReactOS would have used leaked code or source code...do you think ReactOS would have being coded for 15 years and still with bugs?

So guys, lets be clever and stop conspiranoias ;)

It was just a serious concern since lolkekovich didn't find a certain function anywhere else. but as Fraizeraust said yesterday through matterbridge bot, kernel debugging is a thing and reveals a lot of symbols and functionality you wouldn't otherwise find even on production builds of Windows, while maintaining clean-room.

So I'm not that much concerned anymore.

Same here.

I'm just going to continue hope that we will see PnP stack come to light soon

PnP is one of the major causes of hardware run failures.

When it happens, it's gonna be a great day

I have high hopes for this.

currently my main PC can't boot due to pnp stack

Yup Pnp is a big hack

Well, my laptop thankfully boots from USB using a VGal build

and now vgal is making it from a hack to actual well-built/structured thing.

And USB needs, because it is massively using PNP, a decent one

my laptop works with vgal build as well.

but not on PC

The work he has done so far is amazing, so many drivers replaceable with win2k3 counterparts

Which also means much better driver support

👍👍

Okay he answered

Install WinDbg and VirtualKD, connect these two programs to win2003 in virtualbox, congrats! You now see all these functions!

Install WinDbg and VirtualKD, connect these two programs to win2003 in virtualbox, congrats! You now see all these functions!

<Fraizeraust> Yeah. This is what I have been trying to say to you guys here yesterday. Windows Debugging is a great option to look at the inner core of the OS.

<Fraizeraust> If you don't believe me, ask Alex Ionescu. He did the same to understand NTOSKRNL (in fact, most of ReactOS NT kernel code is built by him).

<Fraizeraust> Yeah. This is what I have been trying to say to you guys here yesterday. Windows Debugging is a great option to look at the inner core of the OS.

But still we don't know how he implements these functions? i.e. writing code.

Maybe on it's own

trial & error

It is also possible that he uses kernel mode tests

replicate circumstances and replicate results

besides Vadim has learned this since Q1 2018

it's like what, almost Q3 of 2018 now

He's simply putting what he has learned into use.

<Fraizeraust> When you debug Windows with WinDBG, it reveals lots of operations, occurences, debug values, return values, etc etc. With all these investigations and research you are putting all of them in a code which you must write it yourself.

<Fraizeraust> As Cernodile said, it is still a trial & error since the expected result might different slightly.

Well, it can vary by hardware configuration to hardware configuration.

That's why we have constant bugfixes.

<Fraizeraust> That's true. But it shouldn't be of a big problem.

<Fraizeraust> (now that we're talking about WinDBG. Since I am curious too about NT Internals I might want to install WinDBG as well)

Well, I hope the logic vgal has put behind implemeting functions are solid enough to not need constant patches.

if that's the case, usb won't be far and pnp solved would leave a small percentage of hardware configurations unsupported either due to newer architectural changes or bad configuration.

while majority of configurations around 2011-2012 and below should behave mostly fine as in "can boot and open notepad"

<Fraizeraust> To be honest, the majority of issues is also caused by incomplete and un-proper implementation of our NTOSKRNL. PnP is one of those.