[encoded] https://imgur.com/a/THuI3

True, true

[hbelusca] encoded: https://abload.de/img/reactos-amd64_notepadfsuk7.png

Nice

the new mouse cursor bugs me somehow

[hbelusca] you never used win2k or win2k3?

[hbelusca] (and it's a bug of binutils that explains why you don't see it in gcc builds).

the new mouse cursor bugs me somehow

Gordon, this "new mouse cursor" is MSVC builds feature

this can't be achieved with GCC builds for now

@hbelusca isnt the win2k mouse cursor pretty much the standard when using no cursor preset? i mean i can see the resemblence but, it has this odd linux touch to it

Gordon, this "new mouse cursor" is MSVC builds feature

Is there any explanation of it?

Is there any explanation of it?

bot doesnt shot the message you replied to

Is there any explanation of it?

There's ticket in JIRA somewhere

I think ReactOS doesn't have an exactly copy of the Windows cursor. I don't know if there's copyright concerns with it.

[x86corez] ReactOS mice cursors looks a bit different

[x86corez] they look even more different with shadows enabled (MSVC builds)

wait, those are shadows?

[hbelusca] yes

brb

[hbelusca] [22:58:19] <reactos-tg> [reactos] Is there any explanation of it?

[hbelusca] [22:56:40] <@hbelusca> (and it's a bug of binutils that explains why you don't see it in gcc builds).

[hbelusca] and

[hbelusca] yes there's a jira report for that.

Is there any reason ReactOS has its own custom build environment instead of using upstream GCC/binutils Windows support (mingw-w64)?

[hbelusca] because they are buggy?

Are they? They're fine for normal applications.

[hbelusca] possibly but not for an operating system.

[hbelusca] @chungy : here are the patches we need : https://github.com/reactos/RosBE/tree/master/Patches

I don't see how it's improved by the apparently-out-of-date custom stuff

[hbelusca] (for an NT operating system).

[mjansen] they are hella buggy

[mjansen] yes

Thanks

[mjansen] normal applications either work around it, or dont use enough special features

hm latest build (msvc) doesnt quite like vmware

[mjansen] latest when?

[mjansen] today?

[mjansen] yesterday works fine

revision 1a31889

or i did something wrong when configuring the VM

[mjansen] 0.4.9-dev-356-gd6220b8aab boots fine for me

[hbelusca] sqlserver|41380: running SQL server on ROS?

[x86corez] xD

oh

apperently the reactos setup takes a good while to show up

in VMware

and its not responsive.

[mjansen] you didnt connect debugger?

nope

[hbelusca] msvc build?

[hbelusca] mjansen: normaally there's a 20 second timeout for that.

@hbelusca yep, using the msvc build, for that shadow mouse pointer. ;P

i was more successful with virtualbox though

although if i am not mistaken; the shadow is in the cursor itself, since disabling cursor shadow in the settings doesnt do anything

[hbelusca] the cursor ofc. contains a shadow mask.

[mjansen] lets see

[mjansen] yeah that is one of the things gcc fails with

[hbelusca] s/gcc/some binutils tool/

[Mysoft] yeah

[Mysoft] i was about to ask

[mjansen] potato potato

[Mysoft] how could a shadow be related to a compiler

[Mysoft] :P

magic

[Mysoft] so the bug is depending on a binutil tool

[Mysoft] to generate a resource properly?

[mjansen] yep

[mjansen] well, to embed it properly

[mjansen] the1freeman: https://i.imgur.com/ZyA4y4M.png

[Mysoft] more like generate

[mjansen] boots fine with msvc in vmware

[Mysoft] because it's modifying the cursor not just "copying" it there

@mjansen 🤔 (<- is a thinking emoji)

atleast something that reactos gets working from the get-go

in which wine fails

and now i wonder why i even installed the damn system in german

[hbelusca] you're german?

ja

bin deutscher