okay other examle

std::string vs char* size() vs either having a separate variable with the size of a loop easy concatenation vs... how do you concatenate char* easily? 🤔 easy conversion from int vs.. weird helper functions that were used in 1980? easy support by most std:: functions vs... well it can be used as an iterator

Currently Goku and Vegeta are fighting @linuxer4fun vs @fr0xk

find 1 single bug in code, and take my money xD

don't say that

every code has bugs

EVERY code

every code has bugs

Sure, but mitigations matter.. Note that.. 4 bugs in last 20 years xD You are going hard time with it... Besides all in C.. show your C flows with their code xD

Dare to face raadt? xD

bsd has only had 4 bugs in the last 20 years?

I don't

bsd has only had 4 bugs in the last 20 years?

OpenBSD

that means that nobody uses it and nobody cares about searching bugs

defending C is stupid

in C you can't create abstractions

that means that nobody uses it and nobody cares about searching bugs

Everyone uses OpenSSH... And OpenBSD openssh is the first where every flow gets patched...

Everyone uses OpenSSH... And OpenBSD openssh is the first where every flow gets patched...

then I doubt the 4 bugs in 20 years

in C you can't create abstractions

That's what I care for.. these shouldn't be...

That's what I care for.. these shouldn't be...

okay

consider this:

then I doubt the 4 bugs in 20 years

Go find one.. xD

consider this:

Find real written cde

programming is not about writing code

C code.. pure C

programming is not about writing code

programming is about solving problems

you want to express ideas

instead of exposing implementation ideas

which one is less error prone?

for (auto i : myArray) or for (int i = 0; i < myArraySizeThatHopefullyIsCorrect; i++)

programming is about solving problems

Solving problems without proper mitigations? Well, C++ there you got it

hard way

very hard way

Solving problems without proper mitigations? Well, C++ there you got it

what do you mean by mitigation?

very hard way

how is C++ hard?

in C++ you express ideas

for (auto i : myArray) or for (int i = 0; i < myArraySizeThatHopefullyIsCorrect; i++)

^

how is C++ hard?

C++ is not hard, the way it abstracts adds complexity.. It is too high level

again: abstraction does not add complexity

but if we can'T agree on that, lets stop debating

we are wasting our time

Everyone is

for (auto i : myArray) or for (int i = 0; i < myArraySizeThatHopefullyIsCorrect; i++)

Ever heard strlcpy ?

for (auto i : myArray) or for (int i = 0; i < myArraySizeThatHopefullyIsCorrect; i++)

And do you really code this way

You clearly don't write C code

Ever heard strlcpy ?

how does strlcpy work?

Right?

And do you really code this way

Yes I do

You clearly don't write C code

because its unclean

Yes I do

(atleast the first example)

Yes I do

It is size-bounded string copying and concatenation

okay

You clearly don't write C code

I write mostly C, and if I write C++, I also code like that.

well you see

in C++ we use opeartor+ on std::strings

I write mostly C, and if I write C++, I also code like that.

xD

for (auto i : array) is just the cleanest

and safest

Nothing wrong with that, except you take the reference, not a copy

sorry

Go go go Maxi (Me clapping)

yea

const reference, btw ;)

but this is just an example

Yeah^^

no need to be fully correct lol

Instead of typing useful things XD

Instead of typing useful things XD

xD

And by the way, strlcpy is nice, but not C standard. BSD and Solaris support it, but shitty glibc doesn't support it (as far I know). strncpy is a shitty alternative

And by the way, strlcpy is nice, but not C standard. BSD and Solaris support it, but shitty glibc doesn't support it (as far I know). strncpy is a shitty alternative

xD

i mean

both are kinda bad

both are just too nitty-gritty

And by the way, strlcpy is nice, but not C standard. BSD and Solaris support it, but shitty glibc doesn't support it (as far I know). strncpy is a shitty alternative

glibc needs to die anywahy.. xD musl supports it

Glibc is the reason I can't stand by Linux distros.. except void linux and alpine

glibc needs to die anywahy.. xD musl supports it

Yep, thats true^^ I mostly use musl, but I still have systems where glibc is used, so I can't use it >_>

Yep, thats true^^ I mostly use musl, but I still have systems where glibc is used, so I can't use it >_>

That's awesome :)

Well you see

it doesnt matter

as long as something isn't in the C11 standard

you can't use it

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

btw: again