What I meant is that those two sites are individual efforts

here is the ISO C++ standard

2017 or the 2020 working draft ?

Those things are usually meant compiler implementors

it is the correct thing to read in order to really know the standard

And know the inconsistiences between std and compilers

if you do not read this to learn the standard i question your sanity

they typically teach you poorly

And using at least two compilers is good

"If you do not use at least two different compilers I question your sanity"

I only use Clang to ensure code quality checks, plus clang has some other tools like clang-tidy

i would love to implement better quality checking but my jobs are too slow at even adopting gitea or even github

C master race people

just because most of the developers are very very very old school

Those C guyz don't even use use C11 let alone learn C++. They still think we're in the 80s and 90s.

honestly i am more C master race

i learned how to use va_args list

I will only use C especially in an embedded enviroment only if there's NO C++ compiler

i personally prefer C for embedded enviroments

I've made smaller executable with C++

And faster

oh that is weird

C++ is a pain though with all their name mangling

Well, it turned out C++98 was pretty fine.

maybe but i had to make some code to give stack traces