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Francisco

Sure but for a heavy neurnal AI for huge amounts of data I would still go for C# or C++

I disagree. In Python you have scikit-learn, OpenCV, Keras, tensorflow, pytorch, etc... to work with AI stuff. In C++, everything related to that is a pain to work with

Mat

I disagree. In Python you have scikit-learn, OpenCV, Keras, tensorflow, pytorch, etc... to work with AI stuff. In C++, everything related to that is a pain to work with

All written in C++

Francisco

All written in C++

With Python API, that's why I would use it

Mat

We should clear if we're speaking from a user pov or a developer pov of the libraries

Mat

Sure but for a heavy neurnal AI for huge amounts of data I would still go for C# or C++

Would you mind explaining yourself, too?

Francisco

We should clear if we're speaking from a user pov or a developer pov of the libraries

I think we were talking about using libraries, not developing them. One must be crazy to implement neural networks or stuff like that by hand in C++ (unless you're doing it for learning purposes)

Mat

I think we were talking about using libraries, not developing them. One must be crazy to implement neural networks or stuff like that by hand in C++ (unless you're doing it for learning purposes)

Doing it alone would be crazy, yeah

Francisco

And of course, a Python API is way easier to learn and use than a C++ API

Mat

And of course, a Python API is way easier to learn and use than a C++ API

Mmm, I don't agree. It depends more on how good the API is written

Igor🇺🇦

Its okay for small scripts or tools but I would never write a large project in it

Google would disagree with you on that. And anyway - we're talking about someone who just starts with programming. You don't start from large projects

Francisco

Mmm, I don't agree. It depends more on how good the API is written

An example would be OpenCV. It has an API for both Python and C++, but using the Python one is really straight forward. The C++ one is quite cumbersome, as it is more a C API rather than a pure C++ one

Mat

Google would disagree with you on that. And anyway - we're talking about someone who just starts with programming. You don't start from large projects

Google is... I'll not say how much I hate Google :/

Dima

Python is crap

crt

Python is crap

^

Igor🇺🇦

Google is... I'll not say how much I hate Google :/

How is this relevant to what language is better to beginners?

Mat

How is this relevant to what language is better to beginners?

🤔 And where do I say it's relevant?

Igor🇺🇦

🤔 And where do I say it's relevant?

So why do you waste time arguing with irrelevant arguments?

Dima

Its okay for small scripts or tools but I would never write a large project in it

Agreed

Mat

So why do you waste time arguing with irrelevant arguments?

I'm not arguing. I just said I dislike Google 😂 I give him my opinion upper

Mat

I recommend to learn programming. There's really no difference between them from that point if view

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Mat

Probably I would say Scheme can be good for a beginner, too. But it really depends on who teaches you (a teacher, a book, yt videos) and, more important, how's your attitude to study

jot.rs

Probably I would say Scheme can be good for a beginner, too. But it really depends on who teaches you (a teacher, a book, yt videos) and, more important, how's your attitude to study

Scheme is mostly functional isn't it?

Mat

Scheme is mostly functional isn't it?

Yes

Francisco

If you want to teach functional programming, just teach Haskell

Mat

If you want to teach functional programming, just teach Haskell

It depends on what you want to achieve. Maybe too much ot

Francisco

Yep. Going back to the topic, C++ is a good first language if you plan to do computer science. Otherwise, Python is just fine

Mar!o

With Python API, that's why I would use it

Still it is slower because of the InterOp calls

Mar!o

Python can't even live without C because of Python's VM

Francisco

We all know most of the interpreted languages rely on C/C++ to implement the VM. People use Python for many other reasons rather than efficiency

Francisco

If I want to achieve the same goal using C++ and Python, I'm pretty sure the C++ one will be much faster, at the cost of spending a huge amout of time developing it, while in Python may be slower but much faster to develop

Francisco

It's all about the balance

Francisco

And using the right tool for the right job

Raj

Hello guys.Do you recommend to learn c++ or python if you were a beginner?

C

Mar!o

Yeah I think it's okay for beginners but I don't get it that less but slower code is better than more but faster code. A user doesn't care how much code the app is or how easy it is to write. The user is not seeing that. What the user is seeing and feeling is the speed.

Anonymous

C

#stop-teaching-c

Mar!o

Yeah I think it's okay for beginners but I don't get it that less but slower code is better than more but faster code. A user doesn't care how much code the app is or how easy it is to write. The user is not seeing that. What the user is seeing and feeling is the speed.

And python is just incredibly slow

Mar!o

And using the right tool for the right job

Yep