these have nothing in common with eachother other than "it contains multiple things"

For example?

I'm talking about not OS development or something

she also tells beginners to use vectors instead of arrays, at this point, this just teaches people how to write terrible code..

these have nothing in common with eachother other than "it contains multiple things"

python

I don't think you have an experience of teaching, @ff_0x1d3

okay, so tell me one reason you would actually tell a beginner about a vector before telling them what an array is?

okay, so tell me one reason you would actually tell a beginner about a vector before telling them what an array is?

Because it's easier to use

For example?

Simple apps? Kernels? The gnome project? And C is really stupid to learn. You can use it to introduce people to the basics of programming as loops, memory management and other stuff while keeping the complexity low

but why would you teach people to "use" the wrong thing for most stuff theyre using

the stl features a big collection of containers, and without having a good reason, beginners should know what an array is

she also tells beginners to use vectors instead of arrays, at this point, this just teaches people how to write terrible code..

So its basically too simplified Like yes vector is usually the best choice but you should still know your Containers

Because it's easier to use

That's not a reason from a learning point of view 🤔

also how the fuck is a vector "easier to use" than an array? an array is literally just "put multiple variables behind eachother and have an index to access them"

It onv depends on what you want to achieve. If you only want to learn Cpp, just use it. In that case I suppose you are already familiar with programming and learning C will not be very useful

but why would you teach people to "use" the wrong thing for most stuff theyre using

Dude, It doesn't work that way At first, you don't need to know how it works before using At first we teach how to use Then we teach how it works And it's MUCH simpler for beginners to understand

if you think so....

also how the fuck is a vector "easier to use" than an array? an array is literally just "put multiple variables behind eachother and have an index to access them"

Because you don't need to reallocate memory when you need more space, lol

Dude, It doesn't work that way At first, you don't need to know how it works before using At first we teach how to use Then we teach how it works And it's MUCH simpler for beginners to understand

The usage of an array is really simpler than the vector one 😂

how is "hey i have multiple variables behind eachtother" harder to understand than "yea this is a vector, you can initialise it with default values, or add something at the end"

this is not what arrays are made for

it defeats the purpose of having low level lang

just program in scratch

if you think so....

I know so I have some experience if teaching And I tried the both ways

If C is so hard to newbies, why then not teach them python instead of C++ ??

If C is so hard to newbies, why then not teach them python instead of C++ ??

this

If C is so hard to newbies, why then not teach them python instead of C++ ??

Because dynamic type system is 🤢

i can also use your super-argument for that

Because dynamic type system is 🤢

but it hides all complexity, and it seemed you are all for it.

"its easier to learn"

its the same shit as teaching people to use "using namespace std;" it *can* work, but wont if the project gets bigger than 10 files

literally the first point in every tutorial should be "do not use "using namespace std;""

but it hides all complexity, and it seemed you are all for it.

It hides the complexity, yes But it makes them more stupid and it's harder to switch to the static type system then

its the same shit as teaching people to use "using namespace std;" it *can* work, but wont if the project gets bigger than 10 files

good teachers teach you how to program, not how to use shortcuts and such

It hides the complexity, yes But it makes them more stupid and it's harder to switch to the static type system then

idk, I started my journey from javascript, now i'm learning C and asm, and I'm fine with it

I teach how vector works after then they learned how to use it And I think it's the right way

idk, I started my journey from javascript, now i'm learning C and asm, and I'm fine with it

I'm talking about the average person

It hides the complexity, yes But it makes them more stupid and it's harder to switch to the static type system then

and all you're saying is exactly the same. if you dont teach people how basic stuff like an array works, they wont understand it, because they (( sort of )) understand how a vector works.

I'm talking about the average person

I just wanna say that, if this average person want something easier to write, they will never choose C or C++ anyways.

and all you're saying is exactly the same. if you dont teach people how basic stuff like an array works, they wont understand it, because they (( sort of )) understand how a vector works.

Don't you understand that you think that basic because you learned it first?

no i dont, because its simpler than a vector in EVERY aspect possible

no i dont, because its simpler than a vector in EVERY aspect possible

It's not That's it :)

yes it is

you straightup tell people "arrays are fixed size, you cant change it"

problem solved

My students don't think so You think it's easy because you know it

People learn Differently Not everyone is the Same Some learn easier by actually seeing results and Not Just some console Output Also yeah for a total beginner vector is easier to use they no need to specify the size before hand and the Compilers are pretty good at optimizing it You actually need interest in programming with the language and showing total beginners that they can achieve Something is Motivating

So there is no point of idea that C++ hides some C's complexity(btw C++ add their own complexity), bc if evaluate your logic then any newbie just should stick with JS or python, bc it hides all the complexity at all.

My students don't think so You think it's easy because you know it

who are your "students"

everything is HARD

problem solved

And then you need to reallocate stuff etc Working with C strings is also so fucking easy, yeah

So there is no point of idea that C++ hides some C's complexity(btw C++ add their own complexity), bc if evaluate your logic then any newbie just should stick with JS or python, bc it hides all the complexity at all.

Js and python are for retards

And then you need to reallocate stuff etc Working with C strings is also so fucking easy, yeah

Inb4 warns him

And then you need to reallocate stuff etc Working with C strings is also so fucking easy, yeah

no its just that you shouldnt teach people about that container stuff at first at all

who are your "students"

University students that didn't have any programming experience before

Inb4 warns him

?

University students that didn't have any programming experience before

I would teach them assembly language first

University students that didn't have any programming experience before

i will go there the next year UwU

I would teach them assembly language first

I'm not a crazy person

finally i will be a programmer

Asm Is So EaSy yeah

Is easier than C

Let's teach it first

i would teach machine code first

I would teach them assembly language first

That would be a nice idea if they're interested

so tell me, how is a vector simpler than an array? without going into "reallocating stuff" (which isnt going to happen if you tell people "arrays are fixed size") it is simpler in any aspect

The discussion is over

I loved Assembly lessons and understood various stuff thanks to them

You dont seem to Unterstand that some people start learning languages Like c++ and dont even Unterstand what an if Statement does From the perspective of someone that can Programm in the language or in General knows programming logic everything seems way easier

C and C++ are different languages. I am agree that C first then C++ is not good idea. Also C++ first then C# is not good idea too.

C and C++ are different languages. I am agree that C first then C++ is not good idea. Also C++ first then C# is not good idea too.

C# isn't even related to C/Cpp at all 😆

I loved Assembly lessons and understood various stuff thanks to them

They are useful when you know something already

C# isn't even related to C/Cpp at all 😆

its "C-like"

They are useful when you know something already

It depends

its "C-like"

JavaScript is also C-like, so what?

But they teach it in this sequense

people who dont like computers will find them hard put thats like for everything

JavaScript is also C-like, so what?

THAT ITS C-LIKE YOU ...

C# isn't even related to C/Cpp at all 😆

But they teach it in this sequense

people who dont like computers will find them hard put thats like for everything

these people will stick anyway with python or js at the end.

just because the syntax is c-like it doesnt mean the languages are close