@olli: I think Shelly doesn't meant the rare cases where it *can* be an advatage to use templates. In my personal experience, escpecially MTP, caused for frustations when bugs needed to be fixed and the original source code author has left the company. It is more about control over the code and the behaviour of it.

@olli: I think Shelly doesn't meant the rare cases where it *can* be an advatage to use templates. In my personal experience, escpecially MTP, caused for frustations when bugs needed to be fixed and the original source code author has left the company. It is more about control over the code and the behaviour of it.

Yeah sure, but I don't like generalizations. that's why I love C and C++ because it always depends on how you do it

The problem raises if you have someone in your company who decided to do it the shit way and after that left the company without documentation - or even better, you decided to do the shit way by accident and doing even more debugging than usual - and embedded is MUCH debugging already

I still don't agree with generalizations, and I fell being able to use templates in embedded is definately not the shit way per se. In the end this is basically Torvald's argument against C++ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I know.. I've worked in embedded as well

@ollirz I think every one of us is against generalizations. But experience has shown that some coding techniques are suited for different tasks. In low level, I share the opinion of @shell_0. Templates or any fancy C++ stuff *can* (and almost every time will) bring you pain. Especially if you are the developer who has to repair the damage, that has been done

The problem raises if you have someone in your company who decided to do it the shit way and after that left the company without documentation - or even better, you decided to do the shit way by accident and doing even more debugging than usual - and embedded is MUCH debugging already

@ollirz "I only worked on "safety" related stutt were a certified" Call yourself a lucky person. I worked with some "geniuses" and had to maintain their code after they left the company...

I work mostly in IT Security and OS dev, and we have also stuff like CI etc. But there are still enough idiots who fucked things up. We had much headache.

Who want to work with me?

But then your either your CI or HR are bad...

@olli: automotive industry in germany

Somebody to help. I want to run eclipse but this is what I get

Read.

Haha its in our blood

@ollirz : Yes, I'm from Germany, my friend :)

bjarne is not from germany

Haha its in our blood

Most of pro programmers here are from Germany!!!!

N India

N India

I don't think so

In a study 46% indian programmers don't know how to write a compilabe basic code

In a study 46% indian programmers don't know how to write a compilabe basic code

54% write awful code

54%?

Obviouse joke maxi

So we outsource it to india, they send it back to us so we fix it

but.. bu..t... in school i learned that outsourcing makes for less cost

Which increase the possibility of having great programmers

Which increase the possibility of having great programmers

lunatic, try explaining this

lunatic, try explaining this

everybody else, shut up!

Pass by reference in primitive types are slower