They keep being annoying

It's your perception because it's inevitable that you will be infected with adware viruses in MS windows

Never too much IMHO

So you don't see it as difficult task?

So, in some point you will receive more ads in windows

So you don't see it as difficult task?

Difficult, of course. But impossible? No. Also you say "you don't want", no "you can't"

Difficult, of course. But impossible? No. Also you say "you don't want", no "you can't"

^ this

you can't say it's impossible until you die trying :P

The rest of times you'll keep trying and eventually succeed

Difficult, of course. But impossible? No. Also you say "you don't want", no "you can't"

Excuse me sir, it's hard not difficult Every developer at some point would find himself need to get his hand dirty with sysadmin stuff IMHO.

Excuse me sir, it's hard not difficult Every developer at some point would find himself need to get his hand dirty with sysadmin stuff IMHO.

^

Excuse me sir, it's hard not difficult Every developer at some point would find himself need to get his hand dirty with sysadmin stuff IMHO.

And then the term "DevOps" was born

Excuse me sir, it's hard not difficult Every developer at some point would find himself need to get his hand dirty with sysadmin stuff IMHO.

Also, at this point we were talking about "learning to much stuffs" so I'm not sure about the context of your comment

Also, at this point we were talking about "learning to much stuffs" so I'm not sure about the context of your comment

Let's call it "enough stuff" to be a good developer, build the application and deploy it Assigning the whole workload to one person may be insane but having these many skills makes the developer in a huge demand, braides small companies tend to hire ppl who wear many hats

Of course ? but trying to reduce this stuff as much as possible

IMHO replacing bash (where most questions are already answered) with python (which is practically not used as a shell) is going to make everything harder, not simpler

you can still use python to write scripts, even if bash is still a default shell

I can recommend fish as a bash alternative, but keep in mind that it's not 100% compatible with bash, so scripts are written differently

many people also like zsh

Let's call it "enough stuff" to be a good developer, build the application and deploy it Assigning the whole workload to one person may be insane but having these many skills makes the developer in a huge demand, braides small companies tend to hire ppl who wear many hats

Well, I have my own opinion about that, but I don't want to discuss this kynd of things here and now

So, I'm just going to say: "Ok"

many people also like zsh

I love zsh, it makes my life easier as user. But for sysadmin, bash is solid as a rock

I can recommend fish as a bash alternative, but keep in mind that it's not 100% compatible with bash, so scripts are written differently

ew fish

Seriously though, fish.

fish ftw

that completion

that syntax highlighting

Don't talk to me or my son ever again.

I'm sure you'll see the only true path sooner of later, which is, of course, having fish as your one and only shell of choice

bash seems so... obsolete by comparison

I already walked the holy path, I installed TempleOS

Now get off my lawn with your Unix OSes and inferior shells

Obsolete he says!!!!

LOL

bash seems so... obsolete by comparison

I don't even use bash TBH

bash < ... < fish < TempleOS

But fish is just bad advice

But fish is just bad advice

why

zsh

tried zsh and... meh, fish is so convenient

Do you like having an embedded web server and next to 0 community support? :P

yeah, I do ?

okay the webserver is overdoing it, I have to admit that one

that simple text config would be more than sufficient

Do you like having an embedded web server and next to 0 community support? :P

It's kind of awesome to see that you need community support TBH

It's kind of awesome to see that you need community support TBH

I *need* wat

I have to admit that with fish I had to check out the documentation two or three times, other than that it's simply user friendly enough

I *need* wat

What's the problem using something with "next to 0 community support"?

I don't need more autocompletion that the one in bash, and my console it's not a text editor to have "syntax highlight"

What's the problem using something with "next to 0 community support"?

No problem, it's just worse if you find bugs, and etc, because it's less likely to get fixed, and you'll get less answers in Google

Also harder to tune, etc

Hello, folks! A question to EMEA inhabitants: Do any of you experience troubles with internet? Let's say in the last week or so? @Wolfshappen ?

Hello, folks! A question to EMEA inhabitants: Do any of you experience troubles with internet? Let's say in the last week or so? @Wolfshappen ?

Not me

So, still I don't see the point of "fish"

my point is, I use fish to execute commands, from time to time to run a small loop

So, still I don't see the point of "fish"

^

anything more complicated - bash, python, ruby, whatever

fish is a launcher for me, and it's damn comfortable one

Mmmmm

nothing more

Not me

Okay. You're in Spain, right? So at least, it's not a wide issue.

Don't get it

bash is good for small things too

@Kohane works okay for me, it was bit slower yesterday but it worked

So, what's the point???

Okay. You're in Spain, right? So at least, it's not a wide issue.

yes

So, what's the point???

fish has nice completions, highlighting of typos, can list command line switches with little help for you, small stuff like that

@Kohane works okay for me, it was bit slower yesterday but it worked

Yes, that's one of the issues I'm experiencing. That is slow. I can't load good pictures because it fails.

ERROR: S client not available

Days ago was worst.

things like you can write a middle of old commands, press up and it will search the history

small but comfortable things

wouldn't really write scripts in it though, for reasons @Rustiful provided

fish has nice completions, highlighting of typos, can list command line switches with little help for you, small stuff like that

zsh has all that and much more TBH

But OK

Yes, that's one of the issues I'm experiencing. That is slow. I can't load good pictures because it fails.

it wasn't that much drastic in my case, though I wasn't able to install libreoffice at night, but some other websites worked okay so I doubt it is a bigger issue

zsh has all that and much more TBH

I'm 100% sure zsh is more powerful, it's just... fish effortlessly gives me functionality which is cool enough to make me like it and not feel any incentive to check zsh out and configure it

it wasn't that much drastic in my case, though I wasn't able to install libreoffice at night, but some other websites worked okay so I doubt it is a bigger issue

Well, right now I'm trying to upload a picture of less than 2 megas to WordPress and it's completely impossible. Days ago, some websites like Google or Facebook were giving time out. In any of the three computers at home, so I wondered if this could be a more general problem, maybe EMEA or just Germany.

Or maybe not. may be it's just the provider.

Well, right now I'm trying to upload a picture of less than 2 megas to WordPress and it's completely impossible. Days ago, some websites like Google or Facebook were giving time out. In any of the three computers at home, so I wondered if this could be a more general problem, maybe EMEA or just Germany.

it definitely wasn't that bad in my case

Mmm... @Rustiful didn't experience any issues but he's far from me, you experience mild issues and you're closer... Now I need a German to confirm or discard my theory.

Mmm... @Rustiful didn't experience any issues but he's far from me, you experience mild issues and you're closer... Now I need a German to confirm or discard my theory.

wat, no

I said I didn't have issues at all

Mmm... @Rustiful didn't experience any issues but he's far from me, you experience mild issues and you're closer... Now I need a German to confirm or discard my theory.

I would rather expect my provider to be at fault here

I said I didn't have issues at all

Yes. That's what I'm saying. That you haven't issues.

Hey, put your guns down

I would rather expect my provider to be at fault here

Maybe, maybe not. But I wanted to know.

Yes. That's what I'm saying. That you haven't issues.

You said "mild issues", I thought you meant "some issues"

You said "mild issues", I thought you meant "some issues"

@michalrud had mild issues. Read it again.

Oh, okay. I thought you were talking to me ?

Oh, okay. I thought you were talking to me ?

Yes, but listing the different points.

HI @Cris1991 ! Welcome to the group

Hi guys ?

Welcome!!!

HI @Cris1991 ! Welcome to the group

Thanks ?

Welcome!!!

?

Are you Brazilian here? ??

Are you Brazilian here? ??

This is an international fedora group, we have Brazilian here but he doesn't show up due to his time zone, u know

And welcome ?

And welcome ?

Thanks ?