just like the long gone but not forgotten Crunchbang #! distro was still just Debian.

Deepin is actually taking the road of government support

Very cool

They want to earn the money of the Chinese government

Temporarily use wine to solve the problem of ecological application

???

Or can not survive

Telegram Desktop is now available at RPMFusion stable repositories for Fedora 24, 25, 26 and Rawhide. To install it just open terminal and type: sudo dnf install telegram-desktop, but first don't forget to remove all shortcuts created by official half-proprietary client from ~/.local/share/applications/.

Thank you, sir.

Is there a way to scroll back the terminal in a screen session?

For plain GUI terminal, lets say GNOME terminal or Mate terminal: Shift + PgUp , I'm using tmux with Vim keybidings.

Cinnamon all the way

Ctrl+b [ gets you to copy mode, and then you can scroll all you want :)

This! I have been using tmux and since then I don't use the mouse at all, to this added vim keybindings.

LXQt on the eeePC

For plain GUI terminal, lets say GNOME terminal or Mate terminal: Shift + PgUp , I'm using tmux with Vim keybidings.

Ctrl+A + [ works in screen

LXQt on the eeePC

I ended up installing F25 LXDE, I will install F26 next week now I know the bug only affects non graphical console.

Xfce and lxde maintenance is not active

Ctrl+A + [ works in screen

Not to mention buffers. Copy pasting text from command with mouse is awesome. And connecting to a remote session via ssh is mind blowing.

Fedora Everything.

This.

Time to sleep

Time to sleep

Good night. :)

Good night

23.43 UTC +8

Xfce and lxde maintenance is not active

xfce is active

it just has slower pace than Gnome, but I actually like it that way, as I know that every release is rock solid, stable and without any unnecessary suprises

right now they are working on porting it to GTK3

right now they are working on porting it to GTK3

And they will realize that why porting with GTK4 is suck.

And they will realize that why porting with GTK4 is suck.

Well, they can't stay on GTK2 which is pretty much dead, and porting to Qt would be harder

Well, they can't stay on GTK2 which is pretty much dead, and porting to Qt would be harder

That's why I prefer MATE than Xfce.

That's why I prefer MATE than Xfce.

Can you explain? I'm not sure I understand ;)

Can you explain? I'm not sure I understand ;)

MATE GTK porting is more faster than Xfce GTK porting. That reason I choose MATE, not Xfce.

MATE GTK porting is more faster than Xfce GTK porting. That reason I choose MATE, not Xfce.

I see. Well, I do like the Xfce simplicity, it has just the right feature set for me ;)

I quite worried for Xfce GTK porting like GIMP GTK porting story.

A few applications have been ported already and it's pretty much seamless, if not counting the fact that if themes are not compatible then they look out of place

what was wrong with gimp porting?

what was wrong with gimp porting?

I don't remember exactly. Sorry.

MATE GTK porting is more faster than Xfce GTK porting. That reason I choose MATE, not Xfce.

Mate 1.18 is already ported to GTK3, will come in the next Fedora 26.

Mate 1.18 is already ported to GTK3, will come in the next Fedora 26.

Can't take it out with Sid anyway. ?

I value stability higher than whether XFCE is using GTK3 or GTK2, and that's what I get so I'm happy :D

The raveit65 very kind when it comes about helping with bugs, very responsive over #fedora-mate

Can't take it out with Sid anyway. ?

Debian?

Debian?

Yep.

Yep.

I still remember the old days when Mate was not in the official repos, installing from a minimal install was so fun. And making Wheezy to looks like Squeeze was so easy if you install Mate XD

I still remember the old days when Mate was not in the official repos, installing from a minimal install was so fun. And making Wheezy to looks like Squeeze was so easy if you install Mate XD

When my family offer me with Ubuntu 10.10 GNOME2, I like it a lot. Then when DE transition on my laptop, I choose MATE after testing for quite long time.

Can't imagine how time files so fast with my first Linux Distribution with Ubuntu 11.04. ?

my first one was Mandrake Linux 9.2...

maybe that's why I appreciate things like PulseAudio or NetworkManager so much ?

Can't imagine how time files so fast with my first Linux Distribution with Ubuntu 11.04. ?

Me too, my first was fedora 25 two months ago, time files so fast ?

I think, I'll need Slackware on my EOL laptop soon.

is it possible to use fedora live...?(without install)

is it possible to use fedora live...?(without install)

Ofc, you can use it if you don't need to save application settings between reboots.

Hello everybody!

I have installed Bumblebee on my Fedora 25 and I'm getting a really long boot time because of that. Is that normal?

$ systemd-analyze blame 1min 36.889s bumblebee-nvidia.service

I have installed Bumblebee on my Fedora 25 and I'm getting a really long boot time because of that. Is that normal?

Why did you do that? Fedora should support switchable cards out of the box since F25.

Why did you do that? Fedora should support switchable cards out of the box since F25.

really?!

I guess that's my bad then askdjkfgjkdgn

really?!

http://hansdegoede.livejournal.com/16668.html

Why did you do that? Fedora should support switchable cards out of the box since F25.

No. You are not right.

NVIDIA Optimus users should use Bumblebee.

No. You are not right.

Yes, I'm. Read that article.

Yes, I'm. Read that article.

No. Read this first: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bumblebee

Do not use the NVidia video drivers from http://rpmfusion.org/, http://negativo17.org/ on NVIDIA Optimus configurations.

Do not use the NVidia video drivers from http://rpmfusion.org/, http://negativo17.org/ on NVIDIA Optimus configurations.

Well, it doesn't say anything about the fact that you have to use Bumblebee to get Optimus support.

Can't imagine how time files so fast with my first Linux Distribution with Ubuntu 11.04. ?

In 2008 I wrote my high school thesis on a broken desktop with no hardisk using Mandriva KDE 2008, I was a normie back then, for me it was mind blowing that it was running directly from the dvd and RAM with no disk. By the time a cousin was studying System Engineering and on her laptop she was running Ubuntu with GNOME2. What impressed me the most was the fact that there were not viruses on Linux, at least not in same way they are on Windows. It was not until 2011 when I met a Debian user, running it on Mac, he was studying Civil Engineering with me, I talk to him because I realised he was no using OSX, that same week I read about Fedora in a local magazine called "La Brújula", later I new about the Fedora 15 release party and I went with the Debian user he showed me the basic of command line, that day I decided I will master command line. One month later I got my first desktop and installed F15 in it. Since then I have been using Fedora.

Well, it doesn't say anything about the fact that you have to use Bumblebee to get Optimus support.

I didn't get the article...

It says these features will be avaliable soon(?)

It's not implemented yet?

ERROR: S client not available

It was almost 5 months ago...

Ok, found this now: 17 January 2017 @ 02:31 pm negativo17.org nvidia packages should now work out of the box on optimus setups In this blog post I promised I would get back to people who want to use the nvidia driver on an optimus laptop. The set of xserver patches I blogged about last time have landed upstream and in Fedora 25 (in xorg-x11-server 1.19.0-3 and newer), allowing the nvidia driver packages to drop a xorg.conf snippet which will make the driver atuomatically work on optimus setups. The negativo17.org nvidia packages now are using this, so if you install these, then the nvidia driver should just work on your laptop. Note that you should only install these drivers if you actually have a supported (new enough) nvidia GPU. These drivers replace the libGL implementation, so installing them on a system without a nvidia GPU will cause things to break. This will be fixed soon by switching to lib

But also, like @xvitaly said, the wiki has another info

I'm confused :/

I don't know who's doing Bumblebee for Fedora and if the info on the wiki page is accurate. But F25 has a built-in support for Optimus which should work both with Nouveau and Nvidia drivers. That's the official supported solution by Red Hat desktop team.

I know it because I work in the RH desktop team ?

I don't know who's doing Bumblebee for Fedora and if the info on the wiki page is accurate. But F25 has a built-in support for Optimus which should work both with Nouveau and Nvidia drivers. That's the official supported solution by Red Hat desktop team.

Interesting, any link to the documentation or something?

I want to check the docs too Because I didn't get how it works

Like, with Bumblebee we have to run the softwares with a command that determines if use or not the Nvidia GPU, right?

How is that without Bumblebee? ?

I think the only docs is Hans' blog: http://hansdegoede.livejournal.com/ By default the desktop runs on your integrated card and if you want an app to run on the added card you can right-click the launcher and chose "Run on descrete card".

I think the only docs is Hans' blog: http://hansdegoede.livejournal.com/ By default the desktop runs on your integrated card and if you want an app to run on the added card you can right-click the launcher and chose "Run on descrete card".

Touché.

OT: How many radio amateurs are there in the Fedora community, aka licensed ham radio operators? Any of you guys are hams?

Touché.

Well, you can find docs upstream, search for GLDispatch e.g. I don't think downstream docs is so necessary if it should just work out of the box.

I don't know who's doing Bumblebee for Fedora and if the info on the wiki page is accurate. But F25 has a built-in support for Optimus which should work both with Nouveau and Nvidia drivers. That's the official supported solution by Red Hat desktop team.

Nouveau is crap.

Nouveau is crap.

Relevance?

Relevance?

I prefer proprietary NVIDIA drivers. On my GTX 1070 proprietary drivers works fine and Nouveau hangs whole system after 3-5 minutes.

I prefer proprietary NVIDIA drivers. On my GTX 1070 proprietary drivers works fine and Nouveau hangs whole system after 3-5 minutes.

Yeah, but how is it relevant since the built-in solution works with Nvidia drivers as well?

Well, you can find docs upstream, search for GLDispatch e.g. I don't think downstream docs is so necessary if it should just work out of the box.

This one of the GNOME team weak points, lack of friendly normie starter user documentation. People use Bumblebee or where ever they find easy to read and follow procedures on how to make things work.

OT: How many radio amateurs are there in the Fedora community, aka licensed ham radio operators? Any of you guys are hams?

Nor sure about here, but I know there was recently a SIG that started up in Fedora specifically for HAM radio. :) I can find the links soon unless you have better Google-fu.

I think the only docs is Hans' blog: http://hansdegoede.livejournal.com/ By default the desktop runs on your integrated card and if you want an app to run on the added card you can right-click the launcher and chose "Run on descrete card".

So, any tip of how it works or where I can learn about that?

OT: How many radio amateurs are there in the Fedora community, aka licensed ham radio operators? Any of you guys are hams?

I'm planning to get a licence... sometime. I don't think it will happen soon as I'm too lazy

Nor sure about here, but I know there was recently a SIG that started up in Fedora specifically for HAM radio. :) I can find the links soon unless you have better Google-fu.

If there is such a SIG, I will find them ;)

This one of the GNOME team weak points, lack of friendly normie starter user documentation. People use Bumblebee or where ever they find easy to read and follow procedures on how to make things work.

that's me hahaha

So, any tip of how it works or where I can learn about that?

@sesivany, do you see?

I'm planning to get a licence... sometime. I don't think it will happen soon as I'm too lazy

Heh, you only need to unslack a bit...

So, any tip of how it works or where I can learn about that?

What do you need to know? As I said, if you install Fedora 25 (and update it) or newer on a computer with switchable cards, the support is already there. The desktop runs by default on your Intel card and you choose to run individual apps on the Nvidia card by rightclicking on its launcher.

I used to advice if-not-true-then-false.com Nvidia proprietary driver howto because it was so detailed. No I know is not a good practice, but at least it was something. Later someone pointed at Bumblebee and sounds less trickier than the other.

I used to advice if-not-true-then-false.com Nvidia proprietary driver howto because it was so detailed. No I know is not a good practice, but at least it was something. Later someone pointed at Bumblebee and sounds less trickier than the other.

If you think that going through the procedure to install Bumblebee and more importantly maintain it in a workable state in the future is easier than using something that is already built-in and just works, I'm fine with that. Use whatever works for you.

I used to advice if-not-true-then-false.com Nvidia proprietary driver howto because it was so detailed. No I know is not a good practice, but at least it was something. Later someone pointed at Bumblebee and sounds less trickier than the other.

Never install drivers via *.run files. It creates lots of untracked by package manager files and configs.

Heh, you only need to unslack a bit...

i know, I've got a friend who has a licence telling me the same.Maybe this year will be the one