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Tobias?
01.04.2017
10:55:50
Not a single blob that you even have to pay for.

Ghazwan Aliesh
01.04.2017
10:56:50
Not a single blob that you even have to pay for.
What lang do u use for ur project sir?

Tobias?
01.04.2017
10:56:50
Idk if it is the same thing.
No, Xamarin is the Addon for Mobile Applications

Gwindor
01.04.2017
10:57:30
No, Xamarin is the Addon for Mobile Applications
I see. Mono is Open Sourse, right?

Google
Tobias?
01.04.2017
10:57:52
What lang do u use for ur project sir?
Depends on the Project. From Php with Laravel to Whatever my Arduino runs to C++ with QT Stuffs and much much more

Gwindor
01.04.2017
10:58:46
I am now learning sh, so I won't use Perl as a wrapper for scripts.

Ghazwan Aliesh
01.04.2017
10:59:06
Depends on the Project. From Php with Laravel to Whatever my Arduino runs to C++ with QT Stuffs and much much more
Oh that's much, don't u think it's better to be specialist in certain field?

Tobias?
01.04.2017
10:59:29
Oh that's much, don't u think it's better to be specialist in certain field?
What keeps me from specialising in a field and privately exploring others?

Also at Work we have to support everything from C# to Android to Servers

I am a full devop - we do the servers, the network, the front and backend.

And everyone in our team can atleast work on each thing - we have pros for each bit tho

Gwindor
01.04.2017
11:00:53
Perl? Is it alive ?
Dunno why people dislike it.

I find it pretty nice.

Ghazwan Aliesh
01.04.2017
11:04:32
Also at Work we have to support everything from C# to Android to Servers
That's a lot, I mean yeah u can learn all these stuff, but assigning the whole workload to 1-5 ppl is insane, y talked about Qt (desktop maybe android), server stuff, ardoino, how could u do all those things?



That's why ppl dislike perl.

Google
Tobias?
01.04.2017
11:07:09
Ghazwan Aliesh
01.04.2017
14:15:14
I am a full devop - we do the servers, the network, the front and backend.
I heard ppl call that "Devops", that would be great but I would not dare to learn all these complex things together, it's hard as hell.

Tobias?
01.04.2017
14:15:31
Its fun

Ghazwan Aliesh
01.04.2017
14:16:38
But hard, very hard ccna >servers> primary programming language > js of course, that's a lot.

Tobias?
01.04.2017
14:17:12
Actually the Main Backend as of Now is Php

With Frameworks of course, Php without a Framework is a Nightmare

Ghazwan Aliesh
01.04.2017
14:18:54
Isn't php dying these days? I bet Facebook mentorship wouldn't change a lot.

Why didn't u pick another language ?

Django is awesome, ror is fine too

Tobias?
01.04.2017
14:20:20
Isn't php dying these days? I bet Facebook mentorship wouldn't change a lot.
Facebook just made Php 7 happen because they made HHVM

And with >50% of the Web running php (25% of the open web runs wordpress alone) its kind of a guaranteed "will always be needed" language

And as said, If i had to switch to Android fulltime Development tomorrow i could

Ghazwan Aliesh
01.04.2017
14:21:58
And with >50% of the Web running php (25% of the open web runs wordpress alone) its kind of a guaranteed "will always be needed" language
Yeah huge community, learning resources everywhere but why didn't they just make the language more portable like the others

Tobias?
01.04.2017
14:22:11
Nobody wants a Client Application running PHP and the Project that made that possible (php-gtk) is dead

Ghazwan Aliesh
01.04.2017
14:22:56
Portable? Like what?
Python > u could do anything by python, android - desktop -even controller programming

Tobias?
01.04.2017
14:23:00
Its a Server Language - and it may not be the best at that but its solid

And it doesnt want to be anywhere else. Its basically Synonymous with Mysql by now

Ghazwan Aliesh
01.04.2017
14:24:14
U r using now C++ for Qt maybe C for ardino, and php for web, u could have done all these stuff by python

Tobias?
01.04.2017
14:24:31
Python is out for me by Semantics alone

Google
Tobias?
01.04.2017
14:24:53
while { do; }

not while do

Ghazwan Aliesh
01.04.2017
14:25:24
?

Tobias?
01.04.2017
14:25:29
Also Python is like 30 times slower than C

Ghazwan Aliesh
01.04.2017
14:25:50
We have a lot of . , ; in C# join us if u like that

Tobias?
01.04.2017
14:26:00
Even Php beats its ass with the current Php 7 Compiler Implementation and it scales to much higher workloads easier

Ghazwan Aliesh
01.04.2017
14:26:13
Tobias?
01.04.2017
14:26:20
Add Opcache to it and 20k Req/sec? arent a deal

Faster than php tho
http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/u64q/php.html

The only weakness are binary Trees and some other specialized Workloads

And thats a default Setup. Strap a Haproxy before it, use Memcache, pack ORM and Opcache into it and tweak the settings a bit

Chaitanya
01.04.2017
15:22:55
Why does every other update screw up the lid close suspension mechanism

Chaitanya
01.04.2017
15:23:09
Sometimes it wakes up and after an update it dies

Dmitry
01.04.2017
15:23:22
Chaitanya
01.04.2017
15:23:25
The next update it works and the update after that it doesn't work again

Dmitry
01.04.2017
15:23:30
facebook php and VK php != php

not at all

Chaitanya
01.04.2017
15:23:48
So annoying

Kennel update

セイバー
01.04.2017
15:25:27
Google
Dmitry
01.04.2017
15:27:17
i guess that was obvious
no that's not :) since most of the python code is actually either c or cpp

loops and some other parts are slow, though

(but there's solutions for that)

Tobias?
01.04.2017
15:32:31
Also, unless they get real and add {} it can stay where it is

Dmitry
01.04.2017
15:33:06
add {} ?

Tobias?
01.04.2017
15:33:10
facebook php and VK php != php
It is literally php with another execution engine

it is dying by all the charts
And the Real World laughs at you and continues to shovel out more Wordpress Sites, Applications for Businesses, High-load Sites and it continues to have some of the most users helping you out, writing better Frameworks ect. Php can be shit if you allow it to be, use a Framework and you suddenly have something thats nice to use.

Dmitry
01.04.2017
15:36:30
please don't tell me you are php programmer..

Admin
ERROR: S client not available

Tobias?
01.04.2017
15:36:53
please don't tell me you are php programmer..
Php, c#, c++, java, dalvik, nodejs...

I've looked into many more but those are the ones i use the most simply because the business i work for uses these

Dmitry
01.04.2017
15:37:52
that's a wide stack.

mine's field of interest is python/js/go

Tobias?
01.04.2017
15:38:44
mine's field of interest is python/js/go
I wanted to try go but googles way of managing dependencies is nagging a part deep inside of me

Gwindor
01.04.2017
15:39:30
My field of interest is hardware and software. :D

Soldering iron and console.

Tobias?
01.04.2017
15:39:53
I dont go as deep in making my own stuffs but administering real and virtual networks is fun

Google
Tobias?
01.04.2017
15:40:43
And cutting yourself when handling server rails XD

セイバー
01.04.2017
15:42:54
Dmitry
01.04.2017
15:42:59
))

I like you.

Gwindor
01.04.2017
15:43:26
You know, when I was younger, i accidentally scratched nose with a powered soldering iron.

Ouch.

Dmitry
01.04.2017
15:44:17
oh so it wasn't a metaphor..

Gwindor
01.04.2017
15:47:53
Sheesh
Not to mention other minor injuries. :)

Shukhrat
01.04.2017
16:46:21
Hi guys!

I have some issues with VirtualBox on Fedora

I think this problem recognized by fedora users like simple =)

Can smbd help me please?

セイバー
01.04.2017
16:56:27
Please provide more details on your issues

Ghazwan Aliesh
01.04.2017
17:05:50
it is dying by all the charts
Yeah in stackoverflow's last survey, php is dying, but with its huge community and simplicity, it's not going anywhere in the long run.

"Customers don't ask u which language do u run ur website by" My teacher said once.

(■_■¬)
01.04.2017
17:15:16
This one lol, I recently got into a fight with someone from Microsoft that was presenting in my uni about Office 365
"I'm your worst nightmare" <- ESR to a Microsoft representative in a elevator. ?

Anxhelo
01.04.2017
17:16:25
"I'm your worst nightmare" <- ESR to a Microsoft representative in a elevator. ?
Hahaha, but really, I started throwing arguments on him and he was just stuttering there and saying that Office follows the open document standards ?

(■_■¬)
01.04.2017
17:23:53
Hahaha, but really, I started throwing arguments on him and he was just stuttering there and saying that Office follows the open document standards ?
"Frankly, Google Docs or PiratePad is by far better. Those are easy to export import, you should give a try to it."

MS representative reaction:

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