Keep in mind he lives in Russia. Prices are very different.

Well, people are not obliged to know or keep in mind where i live :)

They aren't obliged. Hence the reminder. ?

For example, IBM ThinkPad T60 cost $130 here. With battery and charger.

Though, I managed to build a working server from all the salvaged equipment

C2D E6850, 4GB RAM, 80+80+120+500GB HDDs

> No ECC RAM

Just kidding, I can't even afford it

C2D E6850, 4GB RAM, 80+80+120+500GB HDDs

Quite a nice machine. I had a Toshiba Satellite with similar specs.

Hi!

I mess up my system :D

Hey hi!

And I think it will go to hell soon!!!

@Kohane o/

Well, I learn something today: "Don't kill PIDs of processes you didn't know" Or more specific to my case: "Don't kill PIDs of processes related to dnf/yum"

Well, I learn something today: "Don't kill PIDs of processes you didn't know" Or more specific to my case: "Don't kill PIDs of processes related to dnf/yum"

That goes for pretty much any package manager. :P

Yeap

You know what's fun???? Killing PID 1!!!!!

Now my system said that I just have 2 packages installed in my system

You know what's fun???? Killing PID 1!!!!!

I did that just to know what happens

:D

I used to know how to clear yum's cache but it's been a while.

I used to know how to clear yum's cache but it's been a while.

Yum is not here from us anymore ?

When I last used Fedora regularly, it was still on yum :P

Which was a lot more fun to say than dnf

Well, I learn something today: "Don't kill PIDs of processes you didn't know" Or more specific to my case: "Don't kill PIDs of processes related to dnf/yum"

Oh, well... I never did that. Just in case.

Oh, well... I never did that. Just in case.

Be carefull

I was just restarting my laptop, and when I start the session, I make my usual terminal session start: dnf clean all && dnf -y update

(Yes, I update packages daily)

Good, you should

And the process says: Waiting for PID XXXX

I don't remember the number

yes, and?

Well, I kill -9 that process and a really beautiful nightmare begins

I can imagine so!

You shouldn't be using kill -9 unless SIGTERM fails anyway

Or SIGINT

Now is working, but I had to play with a lot of things, and now the dnf list installed tells me 2 packages are installed in your system: fedora-release and fedora-repos

9 = SIGKILL, which doesn't give the program a chance to shut down cleanly

I assume it was a cronjob that was compacting/cleaning the database.

However, such a cronjob shouldn't be working on an active database anyway; it should lock it, copy it, then atomicly rename it over the old one when it's done. I consider any different behavior a UX bug.

Of course, if you file a bug report, they're just going to tell you not to kill random processes. But what if your computer had lost power?

Of course, if you file a bug report, they're just going to tell you not to kill random processes. But what if your computer had lost power?

Yeap, probably...

(And they'll definitely tell you SIGKILL is evil, which it is)

I don't know if I can reproduce this, but know I don't know if I can restart my laptop anymore

Now is working, but I had to play with a lot of things, and now the dnf list installed tells me 2 packages are installed in your system: fedora-release and fedora-repos

Why didn't you just waited for it to finish, or if it was taking too restart the system?

Why didn't you just waited for it to finish, or if it was taking too restart the system?

Pagando la novatada

I did it a lot of times before, and never crash anything

Hit it at just the right moment. Lack of atomic overwrite. :P

Pagando la novatada

?

?

That's the way we said it in Venezuela, just like saying that any begginer will make a fooooooooolish mistake at any point

I never trust wordreference, but this time is valid: http://www.wordreference.com/es/en/translation.asp?spen=pagar%20la%20novatada

That's the way we said it in Venezuela, just like saying that any begginer will make a fooooooooolish mistake at any point

Oh... We call "novatada" to a different thing. For us, "novatada" is the kind of heavy joke some people play on the new one in a group or class.

@Kohane, well, receive that heavy joke is "pagar la novatada" as well...

Oh, I see.

That's interesting

I just learnt something new! ?

Hi @davidvargas996 welcome!

Need a reason to disable Tracker on your Fedora Workstation running GNOME Shell? https://fosdem.org/2017/schedule/event/linux_desktop_versus_windows10/attachments/slides/1730/export/events/attachments/linux_desktop_versus_windows10/slides/1730/fosdem_linux_desktop_security.pdf

Hi @Dead_fish welcome here

Just kidding, I can't even afford it

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B013UBCHVU Comes with 4GB ECC Ram

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B013UBCHVU Comes with 4GB ECC Ram

Try 64 GB ECC.

Cant, only fits 16

Runs Fedora nicely tho

ERROR: S client not available

Yeah well my server does fit 64 GB ECC and that's expensive as hell :P

Actually, yes, yes it does.

But let's not brag about hardware x3

wait what

Silent Server with 64gb ecc ram and tons o storage?

I have like 2 TB of RAID distributed among 4 SSDs

Gib

I have like 2 TB of RAID distributed among 4 SSDs

Only good ol' 3,5" here

I have more storage, but that's only the relevant part.

its just so much cheaper

HDDs and smaller NVMe

Gib

^

I have like 2 TB of RAID distributed among 4 SSDs

How much speed you got on this set ?

HI @ASCOM1 welcome to the group

Welcome abroad everybody who joined here for last few hours :)

And good morning

Good night here

>Nicht sicher

>Nicht sicher

Translation for non German speakers: "Not sure"

Hi Paul welcome aboard ?

Working atmosphere

?

How much speed you got on this set ?

Didn't really bother to measure it, but it's pretty insane.

Fedora: It's Kitty-Approved (tm)

Translation for non German speakers: "Not sure"

secure*

The Chances of getting a valid cert for 10.0.0.11 are quite low so i instead just store the cert

secure*

Thanks. Still learning.

Hi @marbo89 welcome to the group!