In Poland using pirated SW is less popular because of piracy checks

So you're saying that when you use SW for commercial purposes, you undergo a piracy check?

So you're saying that when you use SW for commercial purposes, you undergo a piracy check?

There are random control visits in companies

It's like saying, I modified a picture using Photoshop, I sold it, now someone will come and check if my SW is legal or not

Cost of SW is small enough that companies would rather avoid the risk

There are random control visits in companies

Companies maybe, it's acceptable, but not individuals

Yeah, it's for companies

Never heard about random visits to random people houses

Other than when their IP got caught uploading stuff

We got anti-piracy laws, but hey, everyone is free to pirate here, I think even the government pirates Windows software

We got strict anti-piracy laws, but Russia is the country when nobody gives a s*it on it. My neighbors connect their electricity line straight to main line without an electricity counter to pay for electricity not at all

It's very popular

We got strict anti-piracy laws, but Russia is the country when nobody gives a s*it on it. My neighbors connect their electricity line straight to main line without an electricity counter to pay for electricity not at all

Used to happen here too until some months ago, the government hit hard, now is almost inexistent, everyone is afraid

It's just human nature and a part of mentality, humans always try to find the easy way out, to lose the least and earn the most

Our government is too lazy for this

They steal the money too

From budget too offshores

It's just human nature and a part of mentality, humans always try to find the easy way out, to lose the least and earn the most

In Russia we have word Халява (Khalyava) - when you get a very expensive thing for free. We have a special word to name all of this!

We got strict anti-piracy laws, but Russia is the country when nobody gives a s*it on it. My neighbors connect their electricity line straight to main line without an electricity counter to pay for electricity not at all

Well, sometimes person from an electrical company might check that and you'll be fined

At least in saint-petersburg and Moscow

Well, sometimes person from an electrical company might check that and you'll be fined

We reject our houses from companies

We reject our houses from companies

Sometimes that's impossible

Sometimes that's impossible

Well, we are lucky

If it's a big building and you have no concierge there

I live in barrack

I live in barrack

In Moscow and SPb there are not many of them left :)

And in other cities most probably nobody cares

Russian soul is when nobody cares

When my grandmother died, my father inherited a country house she owned. And he found out that on papers there were no house at all, electricity should not be connected, etc

Russian soul is when nobody cares

That's good, at a certain degree though

For about 7 or 10 years

But of course it was actually connected

That's good, at a certain degree though

Even when we talk about the murders and drugs?

Even when we talk about the murders and drugs?

That's why I said to a certain degree

Even with counter. Though nobody paid for it because there were no checks and no bills

That's good, at a certain degree though

Well... That's arguable

That's good

If you have strict laws and rules, you'll have less chaos and better social infrastructure

Cleaner cities, newer buildings, etc

Cleaner cities, newer buildings, etc

Clear cities or windows for 180 roubles? I choose 2nd

Clear cities or windows for 180 roubles? I choose 2nd

Better medical care or Windows for 180 rubbles?

Well, I think that in all countries is better to go to infree medical centers

Unfree*

Well, I think that in all countries is better to go to infree medical centers

Well... There are a lot of different health care systems

Stop talking about I in this chat

It's protected here

Only about piracy

Well, I think that in all countries is better to go to infree medical centers

In us or Netherlands you must pay the insurance company, so technically there is no free medical care. In other countries there is a free medical care and paid one. In some other there are paid 1st level doctors and free hospitals

And, you know, everything is so difficult in Russia

And well, if you will dive deeper into the tax system you will find that part of your taxes are going to medical insurance

And, you know, everything is so difficult in Russia

Thats what i said

And you know, in 90s pirates were cooler than legals

Remember Fargus

Nowadays GOG.com sells the games with their translations

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Remember Fargus

Yeah. All those companies because of their translations screw the games from time to time

But most of the time hire good translators and actors to do voice over

and I never catch the viruses on my pc

Now tell me , do you use cracked AV too?

Now tell me , do you use cracked AV too?

No need for that, there are plenty of free AV, and the best antivirus is you

No need for that, there are plenty of free AV, and the best antivirus is you

Best AV is linux

Best AV is linux

You think there can be no viruses in Linux? Of course there are, if Linux would be more popular and would have like 50% market share, it would be full of them

You think there can be no viruses in Linux? Of course there are, if Linux would be more popular and would have like 50% market share, it would be full of them

It is not easy to write them. MAC and DAC policies along with grsec patches makes them almost ineffective

That too, but as long as internet exists, there will be piracy

Quoting from wikipedia: Piracy is an act of robbery or criminalviolence by ship- or boat-borne attackers upon another ship or a coastal area, typically with the goal of stealing cargo and other valuable items or properties. 

Quoting from wikipedia: Piracy is an act of robbery or criminalviolence by ship- or boat-borne attackers upon another ship or a coastal area, typically with the goal of stealing cargo and other valuable items or properties. 

Piracy in the case you are reffering is a phrase/word created by lobbyists

Quoting from wikipedia: Piracy is an act of robbery or criminalviolence by ship- or boat-borne attackers upon another ship or a coastal area, typically with the goal of stealing cargo and other valuable items or properties. 

The point is, virtual piracy is nothing like that, you don't steal that from others and remove their access, you just create a virtual working copy

You think there can be no viruses in Linux? Of course there are, if Linux would be more popular and would have like 50% market share, it would be full of them

I this because my job is to write exploits

The point is, virtual piracy is nothing like that, you don't steal that from others and remove their access, you just create a virtual working copy

So let's bot use that term then :)

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So let's bot use that term then :)

What term would you like to use for that?

What term would you like to use for that?

Dunno, but for sure piracy linguistically is not wright

Dunno, but for sure piracy linguistically is not wright

Maybe software cracking and distribution

I this because my job is to write exploits

So you act as a white hacker?

So you act as a white hacker?

No just r&d stuff for now

Ok, cool ?

You think there can be no viruses in Linux? Of course there are, if Linux would be more popular and would have like 50% market share, it would be full of them

I don't think so, if you use free software you will be good, if you pirate, than it's your own fault

I don't think so, if you use free software you will be good, if you pirate, than it's your own fault

Free open source software that is not controlled can be manipulated too. Although 99% of the cases it's safe.

Have never really heard of people pirating Linux software

Free open source software that is not controlled can be manipulated too. Although 99% of the cases it's safe.

Elaborate?

Elaborate?

Like someone with bad intentions, writes a malware code and hides it deep in the software, if no checks are done and it is pushed to the end user, that may be it

Have never really heard of people pirating Linux software

Pirating proprietary software under Linux is also possible

Pirating proprietary software under Linux is also possible

Like?

Like someone with bad intentions, writes a malware code and hides it deep in the software, if no checks are done and it is pushed to the end user, that may be it

Well if you use the software provided by the distribution repository, you should be good, but ofc nothing is 100% but it really doesn't matter if Linux has more market share IMO, don't forget Linux has the server market

Like?

Sublime text

Different IDEs

Sublime text

If using a multi-user key provided by someone is pirating, then my term of software piracy is wrong

Well if you use the software provided by the distribution repository, you should be good, but ofc nothing is 100% but it really doesn't matter if Linux has more market share IMO, don't forget Linux has the server market

Yeah, Linux got the server market, but it will take some more time to enter the desktop world

Not keys, you can modify binaries

Not keys, you can modify binaries

This is why there should be more open source software that lower this phenomenon, but on the other side of the medal, many people would be unemployed and earn less

This is why there should be more open source software that lower this phenomenon, but on the other side of the medal, many people would be unemployed and earn less

I don't entirely agree with this. An open source business model is possible to work in and profit from. Red Hat is the clear example, but you also have companies like SUSE, Canonical, and a good share of a few others (not just Linux providers) that make a profit "selling" free software.

Yeah, Linux got the server market, but it will take some more time to enter the desktop world

I'm also convinced this day is never coming. I think it passed 16 years ago was when we had the opportunity. I doubt there will ever be a Year of a Linux desktop. On the contrary, we have it on our phones and mobile devices and I think this is where we should spend more focus. But it's equally difficult when carriers and manufacturers manipulate the platform as a tool to create a vulnerable platform that makes a device susceptible to viruses so people will upgrade sooner.

I don't entirely agree with this. An open source business model is possible to work in and profit from. Red Hat is the clear example, but you also have companies like SUSE, Canonical, and a good share of a few others (not just Linux providers) that make a profit "selling" free software.

The profit I believe would still not be the highest compared to closed source software companies, since they got the right to the code and can do whatever they like, also as I said, it's not necessarily like that, that's why I said many people, not everyone

Best AV is linux

Linux itself may be secure, but it's possible to have secure things that are set up insecurely (see: Android).

The profit I believe would still not be the highest compared to closed source software companies, since they got the right to the code and can do whatever they like, also as I said, it's not necessarily like that, that's why I said many people, not everyone

I see what you mean. But I'm not sure… the proprietary business model is the most prominent because it was there first, and it was based off the idea of a closed culture. But it's an interesting thought if more companies defaulted to the "Red Hat way". I don't think proprietary software is inherently the most profitable way to develop, but I think it is right now because we (people) have made it this way.

I see what you mean. But I'm not sure… the proprietary business model is the most prominent because it was there first, and it was based off the idea of a closed culture. But it's an interesting thought if more companies defaulted to the "Red Hat way". I don't think proprietary software is inherently the most profitable way to develop, but I think it is right now because we (people) have made it this way.

Exactly, it depends on the people that made it this way

Still, they can charge millions in sharing a part of their code

There is where most of the profit comes from

Now tell me , do you use cracked AV too?

My mother uses cracked NOD 32 on work

My mother uses cracked NOD 32 on work

May Jesus help you all

There is no viruses-cracks in Russia

And you seems dont'know how crack viruses