LOL but package not found

this is sad.

Does VirtualBox installation from Fedora repo automatically enable kernel modules?

Does VirtualBox installation from Fedora repo automatically enable kernel modules?

Stop right there

oookay

And reconsider using virtualbox when a more capable, faster hypervisor comes for free ootb on fedora.

https://news.opensuse.org/2018/05/15/transactional-updates-in-opensuse-leap-15/

KVM - usable trough virt-manager or gnome-boxes.

container os is coming

may be atomic as default on fedora 30?

sounds interesting

KVM - usable trough virt-manager or gnome-boxes.

oh man it's comlicated

KVM - usable trough virt-manager or gnome-boxes.

>gnome-boxes >capable

Unless it uddenly became a whole lot better it isn't

Unless it uddenly became a whole lot better it isn't

For beginners it is. For vbox users they might want to use virt-manager.

oh man it's comlicated

virt-manager is rather easy :P

Gnome Boxes isn't that configurable for me

I'd try virt-manager

virt-manager is rather easy :P

virt-manager has a far worse UI than vbox for simple local vms tbh

virt-manager has a far worse UI than vbox for simple local vms tbh

For which gnome boxes is for.

skyrim?

For "simple, local vms" that just need to run simple stuff its perfect

Skyrim ? So are you a vamp or a werewolf?

skyrim?

A skyrim modded to death xD

boxes is too limited tho tbh

Skyrim ? So are you a vamp or a werewolf?

vamp

?

It manages a CTD every ... 12 hours or so.

boxes is too limited tho tbh

Then you can use virt-manager and even use/change gnome-boxes boxes in it.

vamp

:P I go werewolf all the way! Looks very dope in the game

just connect to qemu:///session.

Skyrim ? So are you a vamp or a werewolf?

Neither yet because it conflicts with the temptress mod a lot.

are you playing with wine?

are you playing with wine?

kvm vga passtrough

Then you can use virt-manager and even use/change gnome-boxes boxes in it.

Yes, yes you can, but both are pretty mediocre UI-wise

Yes, yes you can, but both are pretty mediocre UI-wise

I love the virt-manager ui.

kvm vga passtrough

hmmm... and what about performance?

Allows me to get shit done.

hmmm... and what about performance?

rx 480, modded to hell, buttery smooth 60 fps

interesting

now we have solutions like dxVK

or wine staging

Even better, intel kvmgt or amd paravirtualisation/virgil3d

But the patches for them havent made it into F28 by three days

So i'll keep using vga passtrough for now.

cool

Allows me to get shit done.

uhhhhhhhhhhhh what

how is the virt-manager UI really straightforward or anything in that?

I don't like virt-manager :c

uhhhhhhhhhhhh what

Add a network interface: connect to host doubleclick vm Info icon add hardware network >virtio (preselected) done.

How could you possibly make it easier?

Add a network interface: connect to host doubleclick vm Info icon add hardware network >virtio (preselected) done.

Pretty sure we're talking about local vms here

Pretty sure we're talking about local vms here

That takes out the "connect to other host" step

also you definitely add a network interface to a vm all day every day

Still being really really easy in comparison

That takes out the "connect to other host" step

I mean non-server or anything like that VMs

also you definitely add a network interface to a vm all day every day

I actually do.

I mean non-server or anything like that VMs

Yes?

I actually do.

most people dont

I have all kinds of oses running inside kvm, as desktop versions even.

Sometimes with up to four monitors.

Sometimes with up to four monitors.

*virtual ones

I really, really enjoy virt-manager for local things.

Virt-manager even requiers special set-up to not bother you with a password prompt every damn time you open it, and opening the VM window and starting it are two seperate steps

which means opening a VM is by default four rather than two steps for vbox

Virt-manager even requiers special set-up to not bother you with a password prompt every damn time you open it, and opening the VM window and starting it are two seperate steps

Because by default it manages the global instance

disconnect from the systemwide one and use the one boxes uses too.

ERROR: S client not available

qemu:///session.

That is your user-only vm container where you can do whatever you want.

That does require the user to be aware of that possibility though

which means opening a VM is by default four rather than two steps for vbox

Make a pull request to use the local instance instead then.

which means opening a VM is by default four rather than two steps for vbox

with vbox it's open it and double click the vm

That does require the user to be aware of that possibility though

A user should understand the tiniest bit about the software.

Everyone starts not knowing where to launch programs until someone tells em or they read up.

And especially a vm tool should require some barebones knowledge.

barebones knowledge is knowledge about how the underlying system intended for servers operates with all different instances running by default?

i never had to configure anything with virt-manager

The only thing that bothers is the way it manages the storage

barebones knowledge is knowledge about how the underlying system intended for servers operates with all different instances running by default?

"Oh, my system has a thingie that uses a global account for systems like i am about to install use too to protect things - i could use my own space however, as is outlined in the docs on page 2"

The only thing that bothers is the way it manages the storage

Oh yeah that shit too

The only thing that bothers is the way it manages the storage

Why? I can browse and add a storage pool easily.

Oh yeah that shit too

But when you get used to it, it works really good

"Whats a storage pool" - get to read the docs or dont virtualize if you arent willing to learn at least basics.

Why? I can browse and add a storage pool easily.

Because it's not easy to understand in the GUI

"Oh, my system has a thingie that uses a global account for systems like i am about to install use too to protect things - i could use my own space however, as is outlined in the docs on page 2"

I prefer my software to be dnf install and justwork without requiring me to sit down and read a manual for half an hour

I prefer my software to be dnf install and justwork without requiring me to sit down and read a manual for half an hour

Well, virtualisation is something to read into atleast some bits.

I prefer my software to be dnf install and justwork without requiring me to sit down and read a manual for half an hour

So, why to virtualize?

Just use your system and stop bothering people

lmao

User should be required to have basic knowledge how virtualisation works. Its fucking complicated and boxes/virt-manager do a good job breaking it down.

lmao

*cough*

And then again, gnome-boxes comes out of the box, ready to use. You can even select images now and pre-manage the install with credentials and co.

User should be required to have basic knowledge how virtualisation works. Its fucking complicated and boxes/virt-manager do a good job breaking it down.

Boxes doesn't give you any of that knowledge though?

virt-manager is for more advanced needs

At which point you should read a little into things.

@Wolfshappen cursing is not needed

Boxes doesn't give you any of that knowledge though?

It uses a way, way more tightened down instance.

does boxes even make it easy to install drivers in a windows guest by now?

You cant get out of the NAT for example so you cant accidentally put it as seperate machine on the network