But you also see https://gfycat.com/FrayedEverlastingAplomadofalcon

and FL Studio? what? you can run that on Linux?

WIthout starting a holy war, what editor are people in here using? or do you use IDEs?

Gedit or Gnome-Builder

and FL Studio? what? you can run that on Linux?

Lol, since forever. Runs almost to a 100% on wine.

Well I mean natively

I know about WINE :P

Dont know about newer version, 9/11 do fine however

Well I mean natively

It is so close to native performance it doesnt matter in fls case.

Plus you need to use wine even if it was native - for all the plugins.

don't remember couple of years ago

Ok that's cool

WIthout starting a holy war, what editor are people in here using? or do you use IDEs?

mostly vim, because i'm used to it and prefer cli tools. i sometimes use the intellij IDEs but that's really only relevant if i need lots of boilerplate (looking at you, java)

I use IDEA community for my Java stuff, but part of me is considering moving from Vim to Atom for my main desktop editor

I use IDEA community for my Java stuff, but part of me is considering moving from Vim to Atom for my main desktop editor

> using a webbrowser as editor

> using a webbrowser as editor

If it works well who gives a fuck?

I actually quite enjoy using atom

What does one propose for a good php ide

What does one propose for a good php ide

Atom-ide works pretty well for my uses

That's what I currently use, and yeah it's pretty nice

I actually quite enjoy using atom

.... and I have switched back to atom (always the latest beta versions) from vs code

vs code is very good! really.. there is no better app from m$ then the vs code

I'm not a m$ loser

vs code is very good! really.. there is no better app from m$ then the vs code

Yep I made the exact same switch, vs code is nice but I just like Adam a little bit better

but vs code crashes and make my code un-readable -.-and there is no option to remove those :(

Yep I made the exact same switch, vs code is nice but I just like Adam a little bit better

*atom, my boyfriend's name is Adam so my autocorrect gets a little overzealous

choose you poison :D atom » github developers » gOOgle vs code » visual studio code developers » micrO$Oft

choose you poison :D atom » github developers » gOOgle vs code » visual studio code developers » micrO$Oft

Out of those options, Atom is by far the least intrusive

Github is obviously a huge proponent of open source

hmmm

I usually use Vscode, but atom is awesome by the way

here is my new website » http://dabzse.net check the "made by / made with" section.... there is also an english version (main menu)

What does one propose for a good php ide

imo vim (or atom if you want a more comfortable ui, really any editor you're comfortable with) and the standard php tools alongside git and a browser should suffice for most projects imo.

any suggestions, any mistypes in english are welcome

I am Fullstack developer web and i've got everything i need with vscode for now

I am Fullstack developer web and i've got everything i need with vscode for now

believe me : I have tried 50+ (maybe 100+) text editors and ides on Linux and windows systems....

likely 100+ Linux systems in the past

and there is : when I say/write "no", there is a very good reason

believe me : I have tried 50+ (maybe 100+) text editors and ides on Linux and windows systems....

oh,do you have a fedora's logo tshirt? awesome :D

imo vim (or atom if you want a more comfortable ui, really any editor you're comfortable with) and the standard php tools alongside git and a browser should suffice for most projects imo.

I haven't done a proper vim config. Is it possible to get a file hierarchy view, and tabbing or is that not really the right approach?

since (approximatetly) 2004 I have always needed Fedora, but I have tried 100+ Linux distros (incuding Fedora almost every time)....

...

well I use Vscode because of extensions and UI, its feel confortable, to me at least

and I needed Fedora

and again something is missing

I haven't done a proper vim config. Is it possible to get a file hierarchy view, and tabbing or is that not really the right approach?

yes, you can. But it often makes little sense.

I need Fedora

....

I need Fedora

fedora adicted i see xd

oh,do you have a fedora's logo tshirt? awesome :D

from FedoraFlock 2016 + what I have bought + what I have got as a gift

from FedoraFlock 2016 + what I have bought + what I have got as a gift

cool

fedora adicted i see xd

in the past I have used a lot of : debian, backtrack, blackbuntu, majnaro, mandriva, knoppix, PCLinuxOS, and so on, kali, .... but almost every time multiboot with Fedora

in the past I have used a lot of : debian, backtrack, blackbuntu, majnaro, mandriva, knoppix, PCLinuxOS, and so on, kali, .... but almost every time multiboot with Fedora

correction: linux adicted i see xd

vim should have tab and split window support out of the box i usually use find or ls/tree for file hierarchy. if the project has a meaningful structure you'll learn it quickly and can jump between files without leaving vim. if you want to be able to use the console alongside vim you could use tmux or screen

I like fedora, as the best linux system to me, opensuse... the second place

and I have deetected : "I miss somethin" .... that something was Fedora. my 1st Linux, my 1st Love of Linux

I have used suse..... not bad, but not made for everyday-usage.... old packages.... I prefer stable packages, but safe ones!

*** just to know : I have worked as a software tester, I have enabled testing repos since 2012....

vim really shines if you use it together with coreutils and regex imo.

but I prefer stable, but new packages.... and at leasrt : safe! which is almost nowhere in the latest packages

I like fedora, as the best linux system to me, opensuse... the second place

can you remember which distro was the first which has fixed the "bash-bug"?

can you remember which distro was the first which has fixed the "bash-bug"?

Shellshock?

can you remember which distro was the first which has fixed the "bash-bug"?

no i dont

can you remember which distro was the first which has fixed the "bash-bug"?

I don't think such a big vulnerability is a good measurement for security though, it's much more likely that smaller CVEs fly under the radar of a distro and don't get fixed

ERROR: S client not available

as well as I remember : bash 4.3

stupid british internet connection -.-

stupid british internet connection -.-

better than spanish internet conection by the way XDDDD

Red Hat developers has detected that non-ducumented bug.... and fixed it.... Red Hat is developing Fedora.... any other question about this?

better than spanish internet conection by the way XDDDD

we have here a spanish girl.... I have worked with a spanIsh man.... nobody have complained....

@dabzse i sent you a pm regarding your website, i didn't want to pollute the chat too much

Cool, I just realized thanks archwiki that zathura can read epub ?

@Torturisto Hi, welcome. Please do not spam GIFs here. Please read the pinned message for rules of this group.

You call that spam?

I have used suse..... not bad, but not made for everyday-usage.... old packages.... I prefer stable packages, but safe ones!

Did you try Tumbleweed?

Ooold

And to top it off it is literally "because the developer didnt read the docs"

Reading is for nerds anyways

So "Developers collectively dont read docs and their shitty applications expose users possibly to xss application attacks once again" would be more fitting.

I'm sure I also read that every module has permissions set to 777

I'm sure I also read that every module has permissions set to 777

Disaster.

I'm sure I also read that every module has permissions set to 777

I'd like sources for that with the source that its intended behaviour.

So "Developers collectively dont read docs and their shitty applications expose users possibly to xss application attacks once again" would be more fitting.

if so , no one will click the link and thats not what the link maker want :D

if so , no one will click the link and thats not what the link maker want :D

( if they wrote that )

Oh right, ad revenue by people ripping their maws over something they have no idea about

Same with the current pgp scam going on, because every mayor tool (enigmail, real pgp, proper mail clients) arent even affected since versions from like a year or two ago.

Despite enigmail being listed as vulnerable on the pgp warning scam website

I'd like to have access to the God shell for a moment and type kill -9 thisDay

this whole day starting being odd somehow

I'd like sources for that with the source that its intended behaviour.

I can't find the source for that but there is an RCE (CVE-2018-1000136)

I can't find the source for that but there is an RCE (CVE-2018-1000136)

No source, no dice. :P