Well, that battery is sitting in Stuttgart, some kilometres away from me, so it doesn't count for this discussion. My point is that a battery can be "not new" and not necessary be worn out. It did show its details once in a while I wanted. But it lasted quite a long time for the laptop it was.

"Some kilometers" ^^

"Some kilometres" Just a few, small trip

Heheh

Would you recommend getting a Nextcloud provider or administering the server yourself?

I'm using Tobias' server. But that's up to you really. If you just want to backup your stuff, I'd go for a provider.

I'm using Tobias' server. But that's up to you really. If you just want to backup your stuff, I'd go for a provider.

Thanks

"Some kilometres" Just a few, small trip

Yeah. Just a wee leap. LEL

Heheh

Heh. In fact, not only the battery. The whole laptop. A super early model of Dell Latitude. Very heavy but useful and sturdy. And with soooo good graphics.

Thanks

Welcome.

@nicolas_herschke The setup is rather painless imo but it requires some time. I've also run into issues when upgrading between versions because some packages were not available- That could happen with any other self-hosted server software though.

Or you need to calibrate it

How do I calibrate the battery?

Never did it before.

Yes.

So I guess KDE app was right?

Just keep doing it until they give up and send you a real new battery or a refund

Do you think I should ask to the seller or just go straight to Amazon?

How do I calibrate the battery?

Oops, at least through tlp it can only be done on thinkpad a

Oops, at least through tlp it can only be done on thinkpad a

What? Please, explain yourself. I didn't quite understand. I'm sorry.

tlp is a power management tool that can use some advanced features on thinkpads

Well, it's a Thinkpad, so it's fit.

Where do I get that tool?

Powertop i think you can also configure all the options about power use

Intel made It

@Kohane KDE and acpi probably rely on the same ACPI information (provided by the kernel). tlp is in updates (at least in F27)

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@Kohane KDE and acpi probably rely on the same ACPI information (provided by the kernel). tlp is in updates (at least in F27)

I'm using F28

Powertop i think you can also configure all the options about power use

Yeah, but what I want to know it's not the power use options but the health/status of these two batteries.

Yeah, but what I want to know it's not the power use options but the health/status of these two batteries.

Oh... Hmmm I don't know how xd

@Kohane ACPI information should be rather reliable. You could try checking them in another notebook.

If you are using KDE i think on system information you can check it

Tlp has problems with SELinux Policies ?

Cannot get proper permissions, did try restorecon but unsuccessfully

Where do I get that tool?

No need to.

Fedora 28 enables most safe enhancements ootb.

Like intel hd power saving, ssd power saving, pcie apm...

These tools all seem to be based around the ACPI interface, therefore they will all give the same results. Windows and Mac might be able to show you the cycles (I couldn't find a Linux tool that does that so far) but those also are soft indicators imo, ie many cycles lead to a worn battery but that doesn't necessarily mean that a battery with 300 cycles is worse than a different battery with 100.

These tools all seem to be based around the ACPI interface, therefore they will all give the same results. Windows and Mac might be able to show you the cycles (I couldn't find a Linux tool that does that so far) but those also are soft indicators imo, ie many cycles lead to a worn battery but that doesn't necessarily mean that a battery with 300 cycles is worse than a different battery with 100.

However it does show that the battery isn't new, which is what we want to prove

Wow... Why not this kinda apps are installed on fedora by default D: ?

Wow... Why not this kinda apps are installed on fedora by default D: ?

You can use upower instead which does the same without GUI.

It should be there if you're using Gnome

The information should also be somewhere in /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0 (or BAT1), it will not be as pretty and across multiple files though.

Wow... Why not this kinda apps are installed on fedora by default D: ?

Because it has two features relying on removed interfaces.

Anyone know who is managing fedora's google+ page ?

if you click on the members and then select moderators from the dropdown it will give you a list

@sushibased thanks

You're welcome

How long your battery stands? I see is more or less the came capacity as mine.

Anyone know who is managing fedora's google+ page ?

I don't remember. Sorry.

Found it already no problem, thank you

These tools all seem to be based around the ACPI interface, therefore they will all give the same results. Windows and Mac might be able to show you the cycles (I couldn't find a Linux tool that does that so far) but those also are soft indicators imo, ie many cycles lead to a worn battery but that doesn't necessarily mean that a battery with 300 cycles is worse than a different battery with 100.

There's actually a default command in Windows to create battery health report. But when I tried it, I get a "command not recognised" message. It's missing for some reason.

Found it already no problem, thank you

Okay

@Kohane bltk for battery ?

Uh?

Guys bad news! chromium fedora maintainer won't accept vaapi patches?

@Kohane bltk for battery ?

Oh. I don't know it. I'll try.

yup

How long your battery stands? I see is more or less the came capacity as mine.

2-3 hours

But this is a highend desktop replacement notebook.

Ah. More or less the same

Ah.

Guys bad news! chromium fedora maintainer won't accept vaapi patches?

Why? Mp4 playback capability i'd assume?

No. This is no highend.

No. This is no highend.

Whats listed as CAPACITY ?

Dump the full list in here :P

ERROR: S client not available

Whats listed as CAPACITY ?

Okay. Give me a sec.

Why? Mp4 playback capability i'd assume?

He says he is not comfortable to accept something like that(Which is not yet merged upstream).

He says he is not comfortable to accept something like that(Which is not yet merged upstream).

Then lets wait for upstream ?

Then lets wait for upstream ?

Poor Linux users. Been waiting for this since a year?. Failed 20th time merging lol.

acpi command not found

@Wolfshappen : "Device: /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/line_power_AC native-path: AC power supply: yes updated: Mon 14 May 2018 16:20:59 BST (536 seconds ago) has history: no has statistics: no line-power warning-level: none online: yes icon-name: 'ac-adapter-symbolic' Device: /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT1 native-path: BAT1 vendor: SANYO model: 45N1775 serial: 6766 power supply: yes updated: Mon 14 May 2018 16:28:59 BST (56 seconds ago) has history: yes has statistics: yes battery present: yes rechargeable: yes state: charging warning-level: none energy: 17.23 Wh energy-empty: 0 Wh energy-full: 17.62 Wh energy-full-design: 23.2 Wh energy-rate: 1.533 W voltage: 12.367 V time to full: 15.2 minutes percentage: 97% capacity: 75.9483% technology: lithium-ion icon-name: 'battery-full-charging-symbolic' Device: /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/DisplayDevice power supply: yes updated: Mon 14 May 2018 16:28:59 BST (56 seconds ago) has history: no has statistics: no battery present: yes state: charging warning-level: none energy: 17.23 Wh energy-full: 17.62 Wh energy-rate: 1.533 W time to full: 15.2 minutes percentage: 97% icon-name: 'battery-full-charging-symbolic' Daemon: daemon-version: 0.99.7 on-battery: no lid-is-closed: no lid-is-present: yes critical-action: HybridSleep "

Don't do that, please

Use fpaste

He said dump the full list here

<Sheogorath[m]> @corsaro the TLP issue is **maybe** fixed in rawhide. I supplied a patch for it.

Oh ok, thank you Sheogorath ! Do you follow any bugzilla thread for this? I want to subscribe to get more information and to test

<Sheogorath[m]> I'm subscribed to this one: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1510249

<Sheogorath[m]> My fix was this one: https://github.com/fedora-selinux/selinux-policy-contrib/pull/55

<Sheogorath[m]> Can't really say for sure, that this fixes it, but haven't seen any reports about it on rawhide. But that can also mean no one on rawhide uses it

Yes it could be. I hope it will come to F28 asap, I can't use rawhide on my machine :(

Maybe I will just build this package on my copr

I've always wondered how copr is pronounced. Is it "Copper" or "Co-PERR"...

@Wolfshappen : "Device: /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/line_power_AC native-path: AC power supply: yes updated: Mon 14 May 2018 16:20:59 BST (536 seconds ago) has history: no has statistics: no line-power warning-level: none online: yes icon-name: 'ac-adapter-symbolic' Device: /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT1 native-path: BAT1 vendor: SANYO model: 45N1775 serial: 6766 power supply: yes updated: Mon 14 May 2018 16:28:59 BST (56 seconds ago) has history: yes has statistics: yes battery present: yes rechargeable: yes state: charging warning-level: none energy: 17.23 Wh energy-empty: 0 Wh energy-full: 17.62 Wh energy-full-design: 23.2 Wh energy-rate: 1.533 W voltage: 12.367 V time to full: 15.2 minutes percentage: 97% capacity: 75.9483% technology: lithium-ion icon-name: 'battery-full-charging-symbolic' Device: /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/DisplayDevice power supply: yes updated: Mon 14 May 2018 16:28:59 BST (56 seconds ago) has history: no has statistics: no battery present: yes state: charging warning-level: none energy: 17.23 Wh energy-full: 17.62 Wh energy-rate: 1.533 W time to full: 15.2 minutes percentage: 97% icon-name: 'battery-full-charging-symbolic' Daemon: daemon-version: 0.99.7 on-battery: no lid-is-closed: no lid-is-present: yes critical-action: HybridSleep "

energy-full: 17.62 Wh energy-full-design: 23.2 Wh It lost almost 6 watthours already

That is quite the old or abused battery

@Wolfshappen Check this out https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/commit/3a22ed5b8e3bbc1c59ff3069ee79755168754916

<Sheogorath[m]> @rm_rfasterisk it's probably Cop-RRR ;) Like a pirate would say :D

<Sheogorath[m]> @rm_rfasterisk it's probably Cop-RRR ;) Like a pirate would say :D

LOL

I've always wondered how copr is pronounced. Is it "Copper" or "Co-PERR"...

It's "Co - Purr"

I've always wondered how copr is pronounced. Is it "Copper" or "Co-PERR"...

Same for pagure

It's "Co - Purr"

Actually, the "u" sound is pronounced only for a split second

I always pronounced it as in the metal Cu

Same for pagure

pagure is pa ger?

pagure is pa ger?

That's another variation

I always pronounced it as in the metal Cu

Maybe it is. Who knows