Holy moly!

And let's end with broken process substitution, while it works perfectly in bash, it is very unoptimized in fish.

You're gonna have a tough time making your scripts ( if any ) work with bash or zsh

I don't want to talk more on it but there are really many differences.

You're gonna have a tough time making your scripts ( if any ) work with bash or zsh

I write scripts in bash.

While fish is just an everyday shell, nothing more.

I write scripts in bash.

Ah, safe zone. Lol

Hi, I recently installed Fedora, today after login GNOME freezes

1st time ever we got an event with only boys; usually there's 85% girls ?

Needs more fast paced action

We should host some common FOSS game servers for this group xD

suricata: DENY from os != fedora

Hi, I recently installed Fedora, today after login GNOME freezes

Any more details? Does it unfreeze at some point? Can you go to a terminal before/after login (ctrl-alt-f3)?

Any more details? Does it unfreeze at some point? Can you go to a terminal before/after login (ctrl-alt-f3)?

Nothing I tried but it doesn't work

Any more details? Does it unfreeze at some point? Can you go to a terminal before/after login (ctrl-alt-f3)?

Yes, after login

Some drivers issue maybe?

Yes, after login

Go to said terminal then, login as your username+password and issue "journalctl -xe"

Scroll up and down with the arrow keys and name any RED lines that appear

Go to said terminal then, login as your username+password and issue "journalctl -xe"

How do I do it ? I tried to enter the terminal on the login page but i cannot

How do I do it ? I tried to enter the terminal on the login page but i cannot

ctrl-alt-f3 username password done.

Before or after login.

Before should definitely work, after if its frozen and doesnt respond to ctrl-alt-f3 then you have a larger problem. On that topic, do you have an nvidia card and installed the blobs for that?

ctrl-alt-f3 username password done.

Nothing

Nothing

After login?

Try before after shutting your machine down now.

And dont login trough the gui if that works

And make a picture of your screen with your phone if it worked.

Before should definitely work, after if its frozen and doesnt respond to ctrl-alt-f3 then you have a larger problem. On that topic, do you have an nvidia card and installed the blobs for that?

Nvidia with proprietary drivers

Nvidia with proprietary drivers

And there we may have the culprit already.

Which fedora version is it?

And how did you install them?

Which fedora version is it?

27

And how did you install them?

From a live, with the tool

Not sure how to get in touch with the podcast team, but if anyone knows, or if anyone's present, just passing on some notes that it might be good to number the episodes.

4.13 work 4.15 no

4.13 work 4.15 no

generate the initramfs again

From a live, with the tool

No, how you installed the nvidia driver.

generate the initramfs again

It is autoupdated anyway, please dont let someone do things they have no idea about that will likely change nothing in the outcome.

If the initramfs was dead on install before what would regenerating it bring.

No, how you installed the nvidia driver.

Rpmfusion

Rpmfusion

So, are you in a root console by now. :P

Ideally one after intentionally letting it freeze.

I installed it two days ago, until now everything worked fine

I installed it two days ago, until now everything worked fine

Thats fine and dandy, but we can do nothing until you let it freeze, restart, log in and open a console - no matter if on the older kernel or with ctrl-alt-f3 on the newer kernel BEFORE logging in trough the gui (dont login after either in that case, only open the console).

Started, tell me

Started, tell me

So, you let it freeze one boot before? Now, enter journalctl -xe -b -1

This will show you the end of the log of the last boot.

Any RED lines (or something that looks like a lot of code crapped out on the screen) could help us diagnose your problem.

You can also do journalctl -b -1 | fpaste and tell us the link it generates.

https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/tM8Rp3U7c8hVHh3MhBUAcw

Was the suspend intended?

You mean if I turned it off ?

You mean if I turned it off ?

Journalctl has a "suspend" shortly before you powered it down

Did you intentionally let it suspend? If yes, try disabling suspend next time. It leads to a wide range of problems and is often flaky, based on device.

@jflory oh and going of valerios log, nouveau does get loaded but with lower priority over nvidia and doesnt bind to anything. So you didnt have nouveau enabled when your screen started crashing. :P

You mean if I turned it off ?

Wait, your system only has suspend logs in that log.

Dont you actually reboot your system? Please map your power button to initiate an actual shutdown.

Dont you actually reboot your system? Please map your power button to initiate an actual shutdown.

This.

It is easy to get people ofended by asking them to reboot their systems...

Wait, what?

What's wrong with rebooting?

What's wrong with rebooting?

Peeps love their standby.

And many fear the 20 seconds it takes to reboot for whatever reason.

And many fear the 20 seconds it takes to reboot for whatever reason.

And it's even less on ssd

ERROR: S client not available

That's super strange.

/me is a very frequent rebooter ?

What have you notice ?

Peeps love their standby.

Or they are stuck as me. Broadcom bug force me to suspend or force power off ?

What have you notice ?

asking you to issue a full reboot

Why has it never done a full shutdown ?

Why has it never done a full shutdown ?

It seems your pc is set do do suspend over shutdown?

So how do I do a full reboot ?

So how do I do a full reboot ?

Issue poweroff on the commandline or click the top right menu (GNOME) and then the power button there.

As I have always done

As I have always done

Then issue a poweroff.

Oh and yes, my closest suspicion is the nvidia going wild so uninstall the nvidia driver and test without it.

/me is a very frequent rebooter ?

Some others get offended when you say you turn off your laptop when not using it.

Oh and yes, my closest suspicion is the nvidia going wild so uninstall the nvidia driver and test without it.

Ok, I'll try it

And isnt it an Eee PC? Why would you even leave the nvidias in them enabled? They are too weak to be of use anyway

Some others get offended when you say you turn off your laptop when not using it.

Eek. Sounds like people I need to avoid, lol.

Is there any equivalent of conky for wayland? Or sticky notes that will be always shown on GNOME desktop.

Lol, it should be called "Wonky".

I don't know of any, but that's what I want it to be called.

oh sorry, it looks like conky works fine under wayland

/me just configured Chrome on my phone to be ?

Time to see what I can get done on desktop.

/me just configured Chrome on my phone to be ?

No ublock origin, thus stuck on firefox mobile for me.

No ublock origin, thus stuck on firefox mobile for me.

Aw, that sucks. uBlock is great though, so definitely an upside.

I loved uBlock Origin back when I used adblockers.

Sadly Firefox isn't as fast as Chrome on android yet, so I use DNS66&chrome for now

Yeah, Firefox is a lot better than it used to be, but it's just not good enough for me.

No ublock origin, thus stuck on firefox mobile for me.

For me, too.

But it was horribly slow so I am using FF Focus.

But it was horribly slow so I am using FF Focus.

I like this one.