@fedora

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Sadin
30.03.2018
17:23:39
I just think Fedora's installer could be nicer is all
Sure, present your issues to the anaconda team :)

 
its been a WIP since it was introduced

 
Allanitomwesh
30.03.2018
17:24:17
Sure, present your issues to the anaconda team :)
Eeh I'll get flamed probably

 
Or redirected to a different team

Google
 
Allanitomwesh
30.03.2018
17:24:57
Or ignored

 
Yeah, I have zero luck giving out ideas ?

 
Michał
30.03.2018
17:25:28
I doubt it will happen if you'll present real arguments instead of "well it feels bad for me"

 
;)

 
Sadin
30.03.2018
17:25:50
If im not mistaken the UX designer for Anaconda is the Design team head mairin

 
Allanitomwesh
30.03.2018
17:25:54
It does, doesn't that count for something?

 
Sadin
30.03.2018
17:26:14
Kind of

 
"i dont like it" isnt a huge argument

 
Allanitomwesh
30.03.2018
17:27:00
Because reasons. I mean guys, I'm not saying I don't like it "just coz"

 
Michał
30.03.2018
17:27:03
It does, doesn't that count for something?
I'm not sure, you either would have to find that a lot of people feel the same way, or present a better ideas that would make everyone feel like "man, that really was bad before"

 
Sadin
30.03.2018
17:27:33
Agreed.

 
Because reasons. I mean guys, I'm not saying I don't like it "just coz"
Right I know you arent!

 
What were saying is if you go in with the "I dont like it and thats it" Mentallity then nothing will change

Google
 
Sadin
30.03.2018
17:28:54
But if you present a ticket or something expressing concerns with a list of reasons why and elaboration it will prompt discussion for change

 
Allanitomwesh
30.03.2018
17:29:07
Kek that's cheap.

 
Sadin
30.03.2018
17:29:09
if people agree during said discussion

 
Michał
30.03.2018
17:30:13
Debian always felt for me like it was the CLI installer but they took GUI and forcefeed it with that installer without even trying to use the fact that it's actually a GUI now

 
Sadin
30.03.2018
17:30:38
Debian always felt for me like it was the CLI installer but they took GUI and forcefeed it with that installer without even trying to use the fact that it's actually a GUI now
Yup

 
Im curious to try Pop_OS!'s new installer

 
there are bugs clearly stated but it sounds promising

 
Michał
30.03.2018
17:34:00
Im curious to try Pop_OS!'s new installer
Pop_OS isn't an another Ubuntu derivative? do you have any info about their new installer? I'd like to see some screenshots or read more info ;)

 
Sadin
30.03.2018
17:34:37
Its based on Ubuntu but HEAVILY customized. They take out everything thats bad about ubuntu.

 
Allanitomwesh
30.03.2018
17:34:42
Pop_OS isn't an another Ubuntu derivative? do you have any info about their new installer? I'd like to see some screenshots or read more info ;)
It's Ubuntu yeah

 
Sadin
30.03.2018
17:34:56
Ubuntu only for base packages

 
nothing else

 
Allanitomwesh
30.03.2018
17:35:55
I feel it's usually better to start from Debian and work up than to start at Ubuntu and tear down

 
Sadin
30.03.2018
17:36:59
Not if a lot of things they care about are done for them like proprietary stuff.

 
Then they simply de cannonical ubuntu and apply their theming and custom drivers.

 
@michalrud https://system76.com/pop/testing?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social_post&utm_term=pop_os&utm_content=1804-pop-testing&utm_campaign=social

 
Going to try it in a VM later today.

 
베이직
30.03.2018
17:37:58
System76 ❤️

 
Sadin
30.03.2018
17:38:12
Great company doing great things, even if I hate Ubuntu

 
Allanitomwesh
30.03.2018
17:38:13
Maybe if their devices didn't have NVIDIA graphics this wouldn't be an issue...

Google
 
Sadin
30.03.2018
17:38:42
@Allanitomwesh its a lot more than NVIDIA, but sure.

 
Allanitomwesh
30.03.2018
17:38:43
Looking forward to seeing their in-house devices

 
Sadin
30.03.2018
17:39:01
I am as well

 
Allanitomwesh
30.03.2018
17:39:22
@Allanitomwesh its a lot more than NVIDIA, but sure.
Well that's the obviously proprietary, and what seems to be synaptic touchpads? Etc

 
Sadin
30.03.2018
17:40:05
They might use some other proprietary stuff as well. They do tweaks for AMD stuff as well.

 
Allanitomwesh
30.03.2018
17:40:25
I'm in their telegram group, they aren't too bothered with freedom. In this regard I rank Purism higher

 
Sadin
30.03.2018
17:40:46
Right they arent.

 
Neither am I :)

 
I dont use fedora because im a stickler for freedom. I use it mostly because of the community.

 
:)

 
Allanitomwesh
30.03.2018
17:41:46
Neither was Purism until they realised they can't deliver their promise of privacy and security without freedom

 
Basically, you can't call your stuff secure if you can't audit it, and you can't call it private if you can't say for certain that blob in the corner isn't calling home

 
Tobias?
30.03.2018
17:44:18
Take for example the Debian GUI installer or the Ubuntu one. They'll ask well in advance "hey bro what's your username" and use it later. But here you can see it's already installing and it's like oh yeah did you want a user?
The installer will not proceed to the final stage (bootloader setup and short system config) until you entered a user.

 
Allanitomwesh
30.03.2018
17:46:48
Neither am I :)
Sad

 
But oh well, this is the way it is in most of the community. I'm aware I'm a minority ?

 
Sadin
30.03.2018
17:47:40
Mmmm no you're closer to majority than I am.

 
Allanitomwesh
30.03.2018
17:48:11
Everybody loves freedom until they need to watch Netflix ?

 
Sadin
30.03.2018
17:48:12
My idea of freedom is the knowledge and the availablity of choice.

 
Allanitomwesh
30.03.2018
17:48:37
Then freedom becomes annoying and inconvenient

 
Sadin
30.03.2018
17:48:45
Nope.

Google
 
Sadin
30.03.2018
17:49:33
I want to know that an app is collecting data on me, from there I can choose if I want to let it for my convenience or not.

 
Transparency is what im after. Very simple request.

 
Tobias?
30.03.2018
17:50:09
Everybody loves freedom until they need to watch Netflix ?
Afaik you can watch 480p netflix without drm.

 
Allanitomwesh
30.03.2018
17:51:58
Transparency is what im after. Very simple request.
But again you never know with proprietary stuff. Look at our boy "who values our privacy" zucks

 
베이직
30.03.2018
17:52:20
https://www.winehq.org/?news=2018033001

 
Sadin
30.03.2018
17:52:22
Well thats my very point...

Admin
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베이직
30.03.2018
17:52:26
Wine 3.5 Released!

 
?

 
Allanitomwesh
30.03.2018
17:53:01
Those privacy settings in Facebook may as well be duds

 
Tobias?
30.03.2018
17:53:10
"Support for RSA and ECDSA cryptographic keys." Where is that of the essence

 
Sadin
30.03.2018
17:53:27
Those privacy settings in Facebook may as well be duds
Right...

 
Tobias?
30.03.2018
17:53:44
Those privacy settings in Facebook may as well be duds
They atleast save their state to a db, everything else you cant verify :P

 
Sadin
30.03.2018
17:54:07
Disclosing the use of information in exchange for my convience is all I want.

 
Tobias?
30.03.2018
17:54:50
Disclosing the use of information in exchange for my convience is all I want.
So if a tool tells you it just will collect anonymous usage but then takes a screenshot every 15 seconds and uploads it thats fine?

 
Since you weren't able to check if it just does what it promised.

 
Sadin
30.03.2018
17:55:39
Sure thing cause I enabled it by using it.

 
Im aware its a possiblity therfore its on me for using it.

 
For convenience

 
Id prefer open source though

Google
 
Sadin
30.03.2018
17:57:21
Thats just my stance on it. Still use twitter, still know theyre selling my profile as a product.

 
Tobias?
30.03.2018
17:58:23
Thats just my stance on it. Still use twitter, still know theyre selling my profile as a product.
I reduced twitter to an rss feed so i get the latest corn facts from swift

 
Sadin
30.03.2018
17:58:37
I remember you told me yesterday i believe!

 
Neat idea :)

 
Allanitomwesh
30.03.2018
18:00:51
I reduced twitter to an rss feed so i get the latest corn facts from swift
I need to know how to do this

 
I just tweet using Twidere from F-Droid

 
Tobias?
30.03.2018
18:01:07
I need to know how to do this
https://twitrss.me/

 
Input user or topic, get rss link, add to rss reader.

 
fetchrss also has a similar service.

 
Allanitomwesh
30.03.2018
18:02:04
Interesting, I don't even have an RSS reader

 
Last I used one was what? Google Currents?

 
Tobias?
30.03.2018
18:02:41
Interesting, I don't even have an RSS reader
Firefox comes with one inbuilt, else there are a billion available The best of course is nextcloud news with device-synced rss reading. :P

 
Allanitomwesh
30.03.2018
18:03:21
RIP currents

 
Tobias?
30.03.2018
18:04:47
RIP currents


 
Allanitomwesh
30.03.2018
18:09:22
Sweet I could cyanide and happiness all day.I need a Nextcloud ?

 
Tobias?
30.03.2018
18:12:01
Sweet I could cyanide and happiness all day.I need a Nextcloud ?
Youtube channels also all have rss.

 
I think thats how skytube does abos too afaik

 
Anxhelo
30.03.2018
18:12:26
it looks like you use Nextcloud for everything

 
it's your central point

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