Installing GNOME is easy, but getting rid of KDE is difficult

Yes, because the Scientific Spin comes with KDE by default, it's KDE at its core.

But exactly why you want to get rid of it?

You can use Gnome completely ignoring KDE

You can use Gnome completely ignoring KDE

I think I'll have to settle for that.. I did something and now there is no GUI ?

@Dhanesh95 , I'm pretty sure you could just start with Fedora Workstation 24 and then install the Scientific Lab group from DNF

@Dhanesh95 , I'm pretty sure you could just start with Fedora Workstation 24 and then install the Scientific Lab group from DNF

I can do that!? ?

I can do that!? ?

I think you can, since you can always install DE on others

I can do that!? ?

Yes, I haven't used the scientific spin before but I'm going to assume htat if you were to install the Scientific group via DNF, it wouldn't install any extra desktop environment.

since there's a separate group for "KDE Plasma Workspaces"

I had no idea that there exists a Scientific Lab group

I obviously don't want to go through the efforts of installing all the packages manually

Yes, I haven't used the scientific spin before but I'm going to assume htat if you were to install the Scientific group via DNF, it wouldn't install any extra desktop environment.

Let me look into it..

Thanks for the help!

Yes, I haven't used the scientific spin before but I'm going to assume htat if you were to install the Scientific group via DNF, it wouldn't install any extra desktop environment.

Scientific Spin is not a desktop is a spin aimed to sciences so the goal of it is its programmes

If you install Workstation you will have to install all the programmes by yourself. While in the Scientific Spin they come mostly preinstalled.

Scientific Spin is not a desktop is a spin aimed to sciences so the goal of it is its programmes

Apparently according to Dhanesh, the scientific spin comes with the KDE desktop rather htan the Gnome

If you install Workstation you will have to install all the programmes by yourself. While in the Scientific Spin they come mostly preinstalled.

DNF group install is easy

I know

DNF group install is easy

?

It comes with KDE but the point of the Scientific Spin it's the tools not the desktop. Otherwise it would be the same installing the KDE Spin

I'm not confused about that

The point is Dhanesh doesn't even want the KDE desktop to be installed, hence my proposed solution

Just checked. There is no Scientific group to install via DNF/Yumex

But there are all the scientific programmes from that spin available under Applications => Engineering & Scientific

Ah, good @VirtuosoJ

But there are all the scientific programmes from that spin available under Applications => Engineering & Scientific

Did that.. I had no idea we had a group for that.. Thanks a lot @Kohane @VirtuosoJ and @AnXh3L0 for your help!

But there are all the scientific programmes from that spin available under Applications => Engineering & Scientific

Cool ^_^ that looks like what Dhanesh will be wanting

But there are all the scientific programmes from that spin available under Applications => Engineering & Scientific

I don't see all the tools listed in the group which are available on the Scientific Spin, but I can take the efforts to install the remaining manually..

Just checked. There is no Scientific group to install via DNF/Yumex

There is a group

There is a group

@engineering-and-scientific

Hi, I'm coming from Linux Mint Cinnamon (Trusty-based) and considering switching to the Cinnamon-Spin of Fedora. I hope to get a similar UI and general experience, but with more regular updates "under the hood" (e.g. I can't install Mesa 12 on Trusty except maybe when compiling from source). Are my expectations realistic?

Oh, my hardware is an ASUS UX32VD Ultrabook, a few years old. It has a dedicated NVidia card that i'd like to use with primus and maybe for some CUDA programming.

Hi! I have a laptop with Nvidia card and it's working fine so far.

Actually, it works better on Cinnamon than on Gnome Shell, who knows why.

I should clarify, I want to use it only for games and such. Everything else I want to use my intel chipset for.

Well, I don't know, I don't switch cards. I just use it with Nvidia as default and that's it

But I'm not really gamer, so maybe I'm not that useful

I see. Well, it was a pain to set up in Mint, so I expect it to need some work, I just hope it will eventually work ^^

Also, gaming is not my primary concern, mostly CUDA is important to me, but I would use it for gaming occasionally

Actually, it works better on Cinnamon than on Gnome Shell, who knows why.

short answer, gnome and nvidia dont match..... you either use one or the other, not both...

at least that's what I always see on forums...

short answer, gnome and nvidia dont match..... you either use one or the other, not both...

Interesting to know. But as I said I want to use Intel Chipset for my DE and basically everything else. The dedicated graphics I want to use only for designated applications

most drivers have an option that says something like, "if I'm not REALLY heavy on resources, use this ELSE use that one"

if your graphics has support to do so

most drivers have an option that says something like, "if I'm not REALLY heavy on resources, use this ELSE use that one"

Hmm... Right now, I would specify it at program launch, for example primusrun glxgears or optirun glxgears if I want to use the card. I'm actually not quite clear on the difference there ^^

short answer, gnome and nvidia dont match..... you either use one or the other, not both...

My card isn't very new so I guess people had time to work on it, and that's why it works out of the box for me. But of course, that doesn't apply to everybody

Oh, my hardware is an ASUS UX32VD Ultrabook, a few years old. It has a dedicated NVidia card that i'd like to use with primus and maybe for some CUDA programming.

whats the model of your card

The Fedora wiki gives instructions for setting up bumblebee which seem similar to what I did in Mint, so I guess it should work...

whats the model of your card

GT 620m

the best thing you can do IF you can is try...

the best thing you can do IF you can is try...

I feel like breaking things tonight, so I will just try. If you're interested, I will report back if it works

if you got it working on one linux it shouldn't be a problem to get it working on another linux

if you got it working on one linux it shouldn't be a problem to get it working on another linux

Getting my hopes up :P

most of the drivers are available in zip/tar or whatever isn't it?

I have nvidia 1000m which is basically a workstation class oldie. Works fine for me but then i dont really use bumble bee. I am using nvidia proprietary drivers so i have to log out and log in, in case i have to change my primary card.

I have nvidia 1000m which is basically a workstation class oldie. Works fine for me but then i dont really use bumble bee. I am using nvidia proprietary drivers so i have to log out and log in, in case i have to change my primary card.

Yes I use the blob driver as well, with bumblebee though

Although, i did have to try various drivers in order to find a perfect match. I have settled on 361 branch.

Although, i did have to try various drivers in order to find a perfect match. I have settled on 361 branch.

Hmm yes I see, I had problems like these too. I managed to trick bumblebee to take newer drivers as well ^^

well newer drivers had issue with my card, power consumption was more than two times compared to 361 ?

well newer drivers had issue with my card, power consumption was more than two times compared to 361 ?

Ew

Let us know how your experience with bumble bee goes on fedora

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Will do

✅ Setting up partitions It's installing :0 Hopefully I didn't fuck up the EFI configuration too much

I'm now online with Fedora!

congrats!

I followed this guide: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bumblebee I chose the managed repo and it worked flawlessly, I only had to run dnf reinstall bumblebee-nvidia because the blob somehow wasn't installed in the first run

jhoeke:~/ $ vblank_mode=1 primusrun glxgears ATTENTION: default value of option vblank_mode overridden by environment. 8169 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1633.687 FPS jhoeke:~/ $ optirun glxgears 5387 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1077.297 FPS

I'm now online with Fedora!

YES!!! Welcome aboard!

I am very pleased so far :)

short answer, gnome and nvidia dont match..... you either use one or the other, not both...

So my new laptop I bought a couple of days ago has a NVIDIA card and your statement here is disheartening.. ?

Is there no way I can use GNOME and NVIDIA together?

I followed this guide: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bumblebee I chose the managed repo and it worked flawlessly, I only had to run dnf reinstall bumblebee-nvidia because the blob somehow wasn't installed in the first run

Working flawlessly with the GNOME DE?

Working flawlessly with the GNOME DE?

I used the Cinnamon desktop, which is forked from Gnome Shell but with the look-and-feel from Gnome 2 (a bit more modern though) https://spins.fedoraproject.org/en/cinnamon/

As I said earlier, I'm using the Intel Chipset for regular stuff, only activating the NVidia card when needed

NVidia Prime or Optimus or whatever they call it

You probably want to do the same, so it doesn't really matter what DE you choose, as long as they work well with the Intel Chipset (which is well supported AFAIK)

As I said earlier, I'm using the Intel Chipset for regular stuff, only activating the NVidia card when needed

Sounds like a plan.. I'll try that.. Is it okay if I contact you directly in case I need some help?

Sounds like a plan.. I'll try that.. Is it okay if I contact you directly in case I need some help?

Sure, no problem :)

You probably want to do the same, so it doesn't really matter what DE you choose, as long as they work well with the Intel Chipset (which is well supported AFAIK)

I still need to install the NVIDIA drivers.. Everything is working flawlessly on the Intel card..

FYI I went with "closed source solution" and then the "Managed NVidia repo"

@Dhanesh95

Meaning you get the official nvidia blob driver and it's basically all configured for you

Meaning you get the official nvidia blob driver and it's basically all configured for you

??

then, to run an application with the nvidia GPU just do primusrun foo

then, to run an application with the nvidia GPU just do primusrun foo

Great! Thanks a lot!

Great! Thanks a lot!

No problem, good luck with your setup!

I followed this guide: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bumblebee I chose the managed repo and it worked flawlessly, I only had to run dnf reinstall bumblebee-nvidia because the blob somehow wasn't installed in the first run

Congratulations. Welcome.

Is there no way I can use GNOME and NVIDIA together?

Try using the live media first. There you'll see if it works or not.

I've tried a couple of them but they don't really flush out each and every component of KDE

Remove qt package ?

Remove qt package ?

Removing qt packages also somehow marks systemd and dnf for removal which is obviously prohibited.. Maybe I'm doing something wrong..

Removing qt packages also somehow marks systemd and dnf for removal which is obviously prohibited.. Maybe I'm doing something wrong..

Weird, might be tied to lsb needs. In this case dnf remove *kde*